The Grace Hopper Celebration is meant to unite women in tech. This year droves of men came looking for jobs.

The Grace Hopper Celebration is meant to unite women in tech. This year droves of men came looking for jobs.

    • sudneo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      52·
      1 year ago

      Women are in the exact same position you are in, with the added disadvantage of being women

      This is your assumption. You are assuming that the men going to the event are average men, which on average are more likely to be employed in tech. I don’t think that’s true in this case, I think it’s mostly desperate people, possibly also from marginalized groups. Looking at the video I see mostly foreigners, possibly in need of a visa to not be kicked out of the country. Keep in mind they paid 600 bucks for a super tiny chance (imagine what are the chances that recruiters at that event will not ignore them because they went there to recruit women).

      Also, reading a bit online it seems that there is always been a percentage of men attending that event.

      I will not address the last paragraph, your suggestion of what “this proves” is completely arbitrary and prejudicial, I won’t say what that proves, instead.

        • sudneo@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          1 year ago

          Because women never need visas? Are never foreign or desperate?

          Of course, but how is this relevant. The argument there is that we are not talking about the tech-bros dominating the tech field, we are talking about a specific subgroup of the male population, the outliers, which means using the average male statistics to deliberate on this specific people misses at least partially the point.

          They are free to make their own spaces

          This is what really puzzles me. This kind of argument is unacceptable in any other context, because it completely ignores the necessary conditions and balance of power needed to “create your own space”. It’s like saying “women can create their own tech companies and hire only women there”. It doesn’t make sense because it would be ignoring the fact that to create a company you need network, you need resources, capital, and if you are already marginalized, you can’t just do that. I would suggest that foreigners out of a job are not in the material condition to organize a hundreds of thousands-people fair with huge sponsors.

          so they can feel safe.

          So that they can find a job*

          The fact that they spent $600 when they are theoretically desperate just makes them foolish as well as entitled.

          I am not sure how you are not seeing the foolish attempt exactly as an expression of that desperation, but as an expression of entitlement.

          But I really don’t expect you to understand any of that.

          Why do you need to assume that it’s a matter of understanding and not a matter of simply having different opinions and views?