That would be quite a boost on top of how cheap solar is getting. Just need a good and cheap storage solution for the grid to run on more and more solar later and later into the evening.
That’s lovely idea but I don’t have even money to buy a newly made car. Where I’m supposed to get money for significantly more expensive (price and repair coat) and unreliable electric car? Now I can repair my car on my own cause it’s old and easy, also easy to refill. Electric cars is not the way. Also it’s not that green as everybody thinks…
The perspective is fun, buying a new car in Denmark is a big investment, for many people it’s around what they make in a year after taxes, and even then it’s a relatively small car. I’m not saying electric is the golden bullet people want it to be, far from it as of right now, but we need to change something in order to have a chance of saving ourselves from destroying the planet. Perhaps a higher fuel cost will incentivice smaller cars, and thus better milage, for our American friends?
You guys have cheap gas and cars in comparison to my country (the Czech Republic) considering the average wage, which is ~ 22 200$ here. And the prices of cars (and mostly everything) are higher here than in the USA. Whole last year we had inflation of 17% and now it’s not particularly lower.
Our politicians instead of aiding people are taking money from them in taxing more basic stuff like water, food and also more tax on income, taking money from elderly people, not supporting families (it’s cheaper here to not be married) while raising their salaries and buying fcking military planes and gear in value higher than is our yearly GDP.
When people demonstrate in Prague on the main square (usually over 100k people, which is 1% people of our whole country, 2x quarterly) their bought mainstream media mitigate the impact and label the people as pro-rusian idiots, even though the demonstration is about unhappiness of people with government not about Russia at all.
Our government is lead by a party which didn’t even win the elections, not even closely. They put together 5 parties (of which other 4 basically betrayed their voters by merging with the other parties of different ideas) to create a majority in order to do as they wish.
They created new laws like that nobody in parlament can talk for more than 5 minutes cause they didn’t like obstructions from other parties to fight their program. They don’t even talk to unions and take interviews anymore about topics which mostly concerns the people.
Oh, I definitely agree with that one. Sometimes there is a genuine need for a car of that size, but whether it being media propaganda or not, I feel like there is a lean towards cars of that class, and usually not in a “I need this for a specific purpose, and not just to show the world how small my donger is” kind of way.
Over half of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. Between sky high rent/mortgage, student loans and medical bills, getting a new car is often unrealistic.
The point of expensive fuel is to stop manufacturers from making gas guzzling monstrosities. If fuel was $2 a litre would you be looking for a tiny-penis truck or a more efficient car?
Manufacturers follow the market
I drive around a country the size of Texas in a 1.2 litre hatchback and have no issues with that
There already is a used market. Old evs with ranges between 75 and 100 miles can be had for less than $10k. For any homeowners already driving 2 cars, using one of these for daily commutes and local errands makes a lot of sense.
So much wrong with this one.
But on the “i can’t afford” one. Yes, you might not be able to afford a new electric car. They are a luxury still and will probably stay that until we see enough teslas on the used market.
But you also dont have to buy a new car. if you can not afford your car right now and doubling the gas prices will worsen that condition then something entirely different is wrong.
Might be multiple things. Either you are American and you live in a nice-ish house in the suburbs: Your politicians and the car industry have failed you for a long time. I would say go vote but i doubt that even a fully dem senate and ruling party would change a lot.
Might be that you don’t earn enough money at all. This one is a bad one, because it means your politicians have failed you deeply. Agin, voting might change it a bit to the better but if you cannot demand a bigger wage to fund your only way to get to work then you’re out of luck.
Even if you could buy an electric now, it would not save you any money if you don’t or can’t change something else drastically.
Drive less, earn more, move closer to work if that’s even possible.
I get what you’re saying, but I’m not sure you realize just how much that would hurt people. Europe is much more densely concentrated and has far better public transit options. Many parts of the US are extremely rural. My nearest grocery store is a 30 minute drive away. There are no stores in walking distance at all. There are no sidewalks. There are no busses, trains, or cabs in my area, and that is not wildly uncommon.
If costs of gas doubled, at least without viable alternatives, it would absolutely bankrupt people. And it would disproportionately impact poor people in rural areas where it’s very common to commute to work 30-60 minutes of driving is a common commute. While it varies by state, US federal minimum wage in the US is $7.25/hour. Many people commute for work, and an hour drive one way is also not uncommon.
Let’s take 7.25 an hour x 40 hours = $290 before taxes.
We’ll keep it simple and say a person uses only 1 gallon of gas per day to get to and from work which, at $8 a gallon x 5 days a week = $40. Just that travel to and from work and no other travel at all (or maintenance on the vehicle) would be 14% of pre-tax income.
So many things need to change so I understand the perspective, but I think it’s really important to consider the widespread impact. Obviously the US has a lot of issues contributing to this situation.
I agree but will counter, maybe people should be prioritizing buying motorcycles and heated jackets over trucks and suvs that make up 80% of new sales. I think gas price should be based off mpg MORE than now. If you get 15 mpg than you pay 15 per gallon. Get 30mpg you pay 7 per gallon. Only exceptions are for vehicles used for operational work, not commuting.
4$ per gallon that’s approximately 1$ per litre.
I hope it will at least double for you so you know what it’s like to pay for petrol in Europe…
I hope it will at least double to shock the system into prioritizing clean energy.
Ah yes, hurt the poor people to make the rich wake up. That’ll definitely work!
That would be quite a boost on top of how cheap solar is getting. Just need a good and cheap storage solution for the grid to run on more and more solar later and later into the evening.
That’s lovely idea but I don’t have even money to buy a newly made car. Where I’m supposed to get money for significantly more expensive (price and repair coat) and unreliable electric car? Now I can repair my car on my own cause it’s old and easy, also easy to refill. Electric cars is not the way. Also it’s not that green as everybody thinks…
The perspective is fun, buying a new car in Denmark is a big investment, for many people it’s around what they make in a year after taxes, and even then it’s a relatively small car. I’m not saying electric is the golden bullet people want it to be, far from it as of right now, but we need to change something in order to have a chance of saving ourselves from destroying the planet. Perhaps a higher fuel cost will incentivice smaller cars, and thus better milage, for our American friends?
Something needs to happen to get us Americans off of the ridiculously oversized and overpriced pickups.
You guys have cheap gas and cars in comparison to my country (the Czech Republic) considering the average wage, which is ~ 22 200$ here. And the prices of cars (and mostly everything) are higher here than in the USA. Whole last year we had inflation of 17% and now it’s not particularly lower.
Our politicians instead of aiding people are taking money from them in taxing more basic stuff like water, food and also more tax on income, taking money from elderly people, not supporting families (it’s cheaper here to not be married) while raising their salaries and buying fcking military planes and gear in value higher than is our yearly GDP.
When people demonstrate in Prague on the main square (usually over 100k people, which is 1% people of our whole country, 2x quarterly) their bought mainstream media mitigate the impact and label the people as pro-rusian idiots, even though the demonstration is about unhappiness of people with government not about Russia at all.
Our government is lead by a party which didn’t even win the elections, not even closely. They put together 5 parties (of which other 4 basically betrayed their voters by merging with the other parties of different ideas) to create a majority in order to do as they wish.
They created new laws like that nobody in parlament can talk for more than 5 minutes cause they didn’t like obstructions from other parties to fight their program. They don’t even talk to unions and take interviews anymore about topics which mostly concerns the people.
It’s as bad as it sounds…
Oh, I definitely agree with that one. Sometimes there is a genuine need for a car of that size, but whether it being media propaganda or not, I feel like there is a lean towards cars of that class, and usually not in a “I need this for a specific purpose, and not just to show the world how small my donger is” kind of way.
Over half of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. Between sky high rent/mortgage, student loans and medical bills, getting a new car is often unrealistic.
The point of expensive fuel is to stop manufacturers from making gas guzzling monstrosities. If fuel was $2 a litre would you be looking for a tiny-penis truck or a more efficient car?
Manufacturers follow the market
I drive around a country the size of Texas in a 1.2 litre hatchback and have no issues with that
Fuel just went over $3 a litre here.
Apparently the small dick energy of ute owners offsets the cost, they’ve never been more popular
Electric cars will become cheaper and hit the used car market once they become more common.
There already is a used market. Old evs with ranges between 75 and 100 miles can be had for less than $10k. For any homeowners already driving 2 cars, using one of these for daily commutes and local errands makes a lot of sense.
So much wrong with this one.
But on the “i can’t afford” one. Yes, you might not be able to afford a new electric car. They are a luxury still and will probably stay that until we see enough teslas on the used market.
But you also dont have to buy a new car. if you can not afford your car right now and doubling the gas prices will worsen that condition then something entirely different is wrong.
Might be multiple things. Either you are American and you live in a nice-ish house in the suburbs: Your politicians and the car industry have failed you for a long time. I would say go vote but i doubt that even a fully dem senate and ruling party would change a lot.
Might be that you don’t earn enough money at all. This one is a bad one, because it means your politicians have failed you deeply. Agin, voting might change it a bit to the better but if you cannot demand a bigger wage to fund your only way to get to work then you’re out of luck.
Even if you could buy an electric now, it would not save you any money if you don’t or can’t change something else drastically.
Drive less, earn more, move closer to work if that’s even possible.
In that case I hope your health care is reformed to imitate what we have here.
I get what you’re saying, but I’m not sure you realize just how much that would hurt people. Europe is much more densely concentrated and has far better public transit options. Many parts of the US are extremely rural. My nearest grocery store is a 30 minute drive away. There are no stores in walking distance at all. There are no sidewalks. There are no busses, trains, or cabs in my area, and that is not wildly uncommon.
If costs of gas doubled, at least without viable alternatives, it would absolutely bankrupt people. And it would disproportionately impact poor people in rural areas where it’s very common to commute to work 30-60 minutes of driving is a common commute. While it varies by state, US federal minimum wage in the US is $7.25/hour. Many people commute for work, and an hour drive one way is also not uncommon.
Let’s take 7.25 an hour x 40 hours = $290 before taxes.
We’ll keep it simple and say a person uses only 1 gallon of gas per day to get to and from work which, at $8 a gallon x 5 days a week = $40. Just that travel to and from work and no other travel at all (or maintenance on the vehicle) would be 14% of pre-tax income.
So many things need to change so I understand the perspective, but I think it’s really important to consider the widespread impact. Obviously the US has a lot of issues contributing to this situation.
petrol is about 1.5x the price in Australia compared to America with similar geographies to deal with
Geography maybe, but the population distribution is still quite different.
yeah, if anything we are more spread out in australia
I agree but will counter, maybe people should be prioritizing buying motorcycles and heated jackets over trucks and suvs that make up 80% of new sales. I think gas price should be based off mpg MORE than now. If you get 15 mpg than you pay 15 per gallon. Get 30mpg you pay 7 per gallon. Only exceptions are for vehicles used for operational work, not commuting.
I wouldn’t wish that on anybody it sucks to pay a lot of money for gas
Canada just north of the border it’s about $1.92/L where I live.
Fuck off. I hope the price gets cut in half. It’s expensive enough here