From being taught that someone is different from you in some way.
Does this seriously need to be explained? And do you think babies naturally hate? That they are capable of it without being taught? They know to love and snuggle with humans, any. They’ll even snuggle with a deadly lion. They need to be TAUGHT otherwise.
Babies don’t care about colour, or religions, they don’t even know what the fuck that stuff is dude. Until they are taught.
And who teaches? An another human, right? But doesn’t that human also inherently love other humans? So he must’ve been taught to hate too. If you go step by step into the past, at what point is hate introduced into human society?
Babies are not fully developed human beings, they don’t have a society, culture, or almost anything else, including basic survival mechanisms, so they’re a pointless comparison. It is ridiculous to think they, left to their nature, wouldn’t develop communities, trust and suspicion, stereotypes, etc. that can eventually build up to racism. We have documented wars among literal apes, humans are definitely not much nicer in their natural state (whatever that might be - it can’t be just “being a baby”).
And the human teaching the baby can CHOOSE what to teach the baby. If you’re teaching it to respect XYZ during ABC, you’re teaching it hate.
Babies and kids share, yes there will be fights, that’s also human nature, but look at those reasons. To provide shelter for those close. They aren’t doing it out of hate, it’s for protection or other issues.
Just because someone takes your food doesn’t mean you go to war, invite them, share with them. Yes it can go south, but that’s also taught behavior. The chain has to be broken somewhere, and if you need it to be pointed out that you’re one of the issues… well the cutters are there. Just because the past has hate, doesn’t mean you need to perpetuate it forward.
You’ve picked a difficult idea to defend, alright, but you literally just ignored my main question.
Why would a human, whose supposed intrinsic tendency is towards care, helping, etc., teach the opposite?
Until you answer this directly I see no point in further discussion, especially as in the rest of the comment you’re slipping further and further into absurd idealism (along with underhanded accusations against me just because I don’t share the same Disney cartoon sort of conception of racism as you do).
No I haven’t at all, all you’re doing is defending racism and other hate.
Where hate comes from? From thinking we are superior to OTHER beings, like say apes. Now when you think black people are apes… you can see where the hate starts. From OTHER EXAMPLES. It’s not originally from hate towards another humans.
The issues is, to them they aren’t human. I think I’ve already addressed this….
So, all humans have inherently tend to care for and be nice to other people, but people can be bad to other species, and evil in human society arises when people (for whatever reason) decide to view other people as whole other species. Did I get that right?
Have you ever discussed these ideas with other people, IRL or online?
Yes, you never discussed basic human nature and how we’ve evolved over time? I figured you had some knowledge on the subject since you were talking like you know something.
You’re just a troll then? Has anything I said even gotten through that thick skull of yours?
It’s funny, you are the one with the indefensible position, all I’ve done is explain past history to you lmfao. And your answer was, where do the hate start. That’s well documented throughout history, no one has the time to explain it to you. That’s on you.
If hate is inherent, why don’t everyone hate? Why is it only a small portion of people can’t handle that emotion properly? Maybe because it was taught and they are using it wrong…? If we had to teach love, we would have been dead a species long before this topic would be possible.
Maybe think about your point before bloviating about it? It doesn’t even hold up to a little thought.
You peppered your comment with some really nonsensical assumptions about me and my position, but I’ll single out just this one:
If hate is inherent
This most directly shows your inability to hold a serious dialogue. Not once did I even imply this ridiculous idea to be true. I criticised your position, but you could only assume that I hold the mirror opposite view, and not perhaps some position outside of Disney love-vs.-hate morality altogether. There is no room for nuance with you, all that can be discussed is the mystical “inherent human nature”, and any other way to conceive of human behaviour is simply impossible. This is even more radically closed-down than usual religious thinking.
If you can’t respect just the basic literal meaning of the words I wrote and instead have to make up what I said, there can be no dialogue.
Lmao, this is basically religious thinking, with the inevitable “problem of evil”. If people inherently love each other, where does hate come from?
From being taught that someone is different from you in some way.
Does this seriously need to be explained? And do you think babies naturally hate? That they are capable of it without being taught? They know to love and snuggle with humans, any. They’ll even snuggle with a deadly lion. They need to be TAUGHT otherwise.
Babies don’t care about colour, or religions, they don’t even know what the fuck that stuff is dude. Until they are taught.
And who teaches? An another human, right? But doesn’t that human also inherently love other humans? So he must’ve been taught to hate too. If you go step by step into the past, at what point is hate introduced into human society?
Babies are not fully developed human beings, they don’t have a society, culture, or almost anything else, including basic survival mechanisms, so they’re a pointless comparison. It is ridiculous to think they, left to their nature, wouldn’t develop communities, trust and suspicion, stereotypes, etc. that can eventually build up to racism. We have documented wars among literal apes, humans are definitely not much nicer in their natural state (whatever that might be - it can’t be just “being a baby”).
And the human teaching the baby can CHOOSE what to teach the baby. If you’re teaching it to respect XYZ during ABC, you’re teaching it hate.
Babies and kids share, yes there will be fights, that’s also human nature, but look at those reasons. To provide shelter for those close. They aren’t doing it out of hate, it’s for protection or other issues.
Just because someone takes your food doesn’t mean you go to war, invite them, share with them. Yes it can go south, but that’s also taught behavior. The chain has to be broken somewhere, and if you need it to be pointed out that you’re one of the issues… well the cutters are there. Just because the past has hate, doesn’t mean you need to perpetuate it forward.
You’ve picked a difficult idea to defend, alright, but you literally just ignored my main question.
Why would a human, whose supposed intrinsic tendency is towards care, helping, etc., teach the opposite?
Until you answer this directly I see no point in further discussion, especially as in the rest of the comment you’re slipping further and further into absurd idealism (along with underhanded accusations against me just because I don’t share the same Disney cartoon sort of conception of racism as you do).
No I haven’t at all, all you’re doing is defending racism and other hate.
Where hate comes from? From thinking we are superior to OTHER beings, like say apes. Now when you think black people are apes… you can see where the hate starts. From OTHER EXAMPLES. It’s not originally from hate towards another humans.
The issues is, to them they aren’t human. I think I’ve already addressed this….
So, all humans have inherently tend to care for and be nice to other people, but people can be bad to other species, and evil in human society arises when people (for whatever reason) decide to view other people as whole other species. Did I get that right?
Have you ever discussed these ideas with other people, IRL or online?
Yes, you never discussed basic human nature and how we’ve evolved over time? I figured you had some knowledge on the subject since you were talking like you know something.
You’re just a troll then? Has anything I said even gotten through that thick skull of yours?
It’s funny, you are the one with the indefensible position, all I’ve done is explain past history to you lmfao. And your answer was, where do the hate start. That’s well documented throughout history, no one has the time to explain it to you. That’s on you.
If hate is inherent, why don’t everyone hate? Why is it only a small portion of people can’t handle that emotion properly? Maybe because it was taught and they are using it wrong…? If we had to teach love, we would have been dead a species long before this topic would be possible.
Maybe think about your point before bloviating about it? It doesn’t even hold up to a little thought.
You peppered your comment with some really nonsensical assumptions about me and my position, but I’ll single out just this one:
This most directly shows your inability to hold a serious dialogue. Not once did I even imply this ridiculous idea to be true. I criticised your position, but you could only assume that I hold the mirror opposite view, and not perhaps some position outside of Disney love-vs.-hate morality altogether. There is no room for nuance with you, all that can be discussed is the mystical “inherent human nature”, and any other way to conceive of human behaviour is simply impossible. This is even more radically closed-down than usual religious thinking.
If you can’t respect just the basic literal meaning of the words I wrote and instead have to make up what I said, there can be no dialogue.