• Vostok_ [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Europe has no countries, only collectives of consumers. I find it laughable that after decades of pursuing the atomization and destruction of society (of which the UK’s Margaret Thatcher was a pioneer of) any one of these authority figures would even entertain the thought of mobilizing the population to fight on their behalf. If they ever get the war they want it will manifest through drones and nuclear bombs, because those are the only things they can use reliably and will never question their authority.

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      Atomization and destruction of society actually made the population much more vulnerable to conscription. They can just snatch people off the street and absolutely nobody will be able to do anything against.

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          Ukraine managed to mobilize a massive army and keeps it functional. Of course, it comes at a price of inevitable demographic and economic collapse, but it will be the problem for some other government.

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            keeps it functional

            Eh. Desertion rates have skyrocketed, and the entire Ukrainian army + conscripts + weapons from all the imperial west can’t even properly defend themselves against Russia alone using mostly volunteers without forceful conscription. EU won’t have war on its own soil because nobody wants to invade Europe, good luck sending western conscripts to fight to other countries.

            Regardless: isn’t the economic collapse of Europe something to cheer for? I say this as a European.

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              The war is going for 4 years already, almost like WWI. The level of mobilization is still much lower than in WWI, but it is anyway an impressive achievement.

              TBH, I think that the economic collapse in Europe will just bring open fascism. Left-wing parties are either weak and disorganized or shameless sellouts, while fascists are on the rise.

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                TBH, I think that the economic collapse in Europe will just bring open fascism

                That’s how it’s always been, there’s no example of a socialist revolution in any industrialized country. There will undoubtedly first be fascism in Europe, socialism may come later.