But staying awake for three days while sober, shitting the eherloving shit out of yourself while eating your fingers until they literally bleed and then proceed to paint with your own blood for 70+ hours is… common in the US? And you don’t think that could be a bit offensive to me, dismissing literal torture I went through? (Sleep deprivation is torture, not to mention anything about closing off the water and not giving me my prescription meds.)
Yes that’s literally just something that happens to people. Yes, it’s definitionally torture… But it’s normal here. Normally, people paint the walls in shit, but blood is far from unheard of
I feel like a good analogy for you diamissing me like that would be something like you dismissing Wolverine as “not understanding pain, because he has a healing factor”.
No, I’m dismissing wolverine’s pain because it doesn’t make his position on politics better.
I’m genuinely sorry you went through shit. It sounded terrible, I imagined myself in your situation and it’s an actual fear of mine
But I don’t know what to do with that. That’s not a political argument. I think we both firmly agree that it should not be done to people
Which is why I’m struggling to understand why you think media has given you an accurate picture of America, and why in the world you think your life would have gone better here
You gave me an anecdote about your country, and said I didn’t understand what it’s like there. I agree. I don’t understand what it’s like, I never have
Then you insist you understand my country from media. It’s media… They’re stories. Even the news is cropped to tell stories. You do have to actually live here to understand what it’s like, no amount of media exposure can communicate what it’s like to live somewhere.
I look at your country analytically, and I see social programs and some meaningful effort to fight inequality. I see better health outcomes, and an attitude that it’s not okay to let people just die on the streets. I want that for us, and more.
I also see problems. But they’re the problems I see everywhere - it’s like you have stage one cancer and we have stage 4, I’m interested in looking at what we’re doing differently to see if we have less cancer over here. I also think you should do something about your cancer, I’m anti-cancer
I’m not having escapist fantasies about your country, I’m pointing at some of your laws and saying “see? It can obviously be done, and it works out better”
because it doesn’t make his position on politics better.
No, you’re not disagreeing with anything. You’re plain saying he doesn’t feel pain because he regenerates, so he can’t understand it. You literally keep writing “you don’t understand”. Not “I disagree with your position”
Your literacy could use some improvement.
I see social programs
You think you do. Based on like 5 articles with variations of “Finland is the happiest country in the world” in the title.
You don’t even know what Finnish sounds like. Finnish isn’t a PIE-language, and I simply can not communicate all the understanding you lack. You seem to refuse to accept there are things you don’t know you don’t know.
Like how much language affects psychology, and how different it is in Finland from up top in the government and the bureaucracy all the way down to casual interactions of people in their daily lives.
You can’t accept that there’s a massive disparity between the subjects. Knowing and understanding Finland and Finnish just is much much harder than understanding the US. I’ve written this a dozen times, but again, most of our experiences from non-local things come from the media. And we have access to the same media. The difference is that the algorithm that pushes American news to you instead of Finnish ones does so to me as well. There’s no Finnish YouTube that’s separate from the actual one. You refuse to accept that I can actually understand American culture and society, because of how common it is, but that the same doesn’t apply towards your knowledge of Finland because of how small and insignificant we are as a country.
I could easily pass a US citizenship test (I’d prolly recount some of the dates beforehand but I’m fairly sure I could pass one without preparation.)
However you might not even seen words such as “perustuslaki”, “Väinämöinen”, “Kalevala”, “Koskenkorva” etc. You probably just know “sauna” and if you’ve been interested, then perhaps “vittu” and “perkele”.
But yet you refuse to accept there’s an asynchronicity to our knowledge about each others societies. Because of some ego thing. It’s kinda boring tbh, nothing I haven’t seen a million times online.
I’ve never once thought I did, or really ever wanted to.
You think you could pass the citizenship test? You’re delusional.
If you understood the USA, you’d realize you’d be deported before you got to take the test. There is currently no path to citizenship, unless you come from South Africa and/or have money
You think you could pass the citizenship test? You’re delusional.
No, you are. Just like you could be arguing that I simply can’t be fluent in English, despite me having literally better English than most Americans, you’re arguing that I can’t possibly pass a test about basic American facts, despite showing you detailed (remember what the word means) knowledge that far surpasses anything asked in the citizenship test.
edit 2 oh yeah i realise people won’t necessarily know the domain si.edu so
Ooh nooo, theese are sooooooo haard. Sure, I guessed that the Constitution wasn’t written in the same year as the declaration of independence was, so that was slightly a guess (I just assumed it wouldn’t be in the same year and whilst a decade or more seemed a tad long, seemed the most reasonable). I also guessed how many senators there are, but two to a state seemed reasonable. Over four would just mean so much squabbling and one per wouldn’t be enough.
And that’s without me preparing. If I actually prepared even for an afternoon, I would easily pass the US citizenship test. Will you admit that though? No fucking way. Because this isn’t about facts or understanding or anything. This is about your ego getting hurt, and because I’m not sorry about your ego getting hurt, you just keep doing your tantrum and won’t just stop replying (like you probably should for your mental health.) Like I’ve said, I’ve seen this thousands of times over the years, and like I said, this will probably devolve into you spitting one-word replies like “k” or “lol” or mockingly saying something like “you think I’m gonna read that”. That’s the way it usually goes. I’m gonna guess you’re gonna start by denouncing that taking the official US goverment test for if you’re ready to take your citizenship test (that online test) “doesn’t mean anything” and you still won’t accept the asynchronicity in our understandings, despite you not even being able to navigate the Finnish equivalent of a test like that, let alone knowing any of the answers. (To be fair, I’m not as confident I would ace the Finnish citizenship as I am that I’d ace the American one)
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If you understood the USA, you’d realize you’d be deported before you got to take the test
holy illiteracy batman. I’ve said several times I wouldn’t want to step foot in your shithole. This doesn’t mean I can’t favour some of the things there, does it? Also saying that I have the required knowledge to pass the citizenship test doesn’t mean that I’m even attempting to get to take one, does it?
Which part of “I would never ever step a foot in the United States of America” is hard for you to understand? Which part of having the knowledge to pass the citizenship test" do you think means “I want to travel to the US and take the citizenship test”?
You’re just extremely annoyed that I can actually prove that the I could very easily pass the test, as it doesn’t really ask anything special, and despite your inane insistence that I just possibly can’t understand American culture and society, I keep proving you wrong. You said “you’re delusional if you think you’d pass the citizenship test”. That’s you assuming what I know about the US. Then I do an official practice test just out of spite, and you keep insisting that I’m wrong, despite all the evidence showing it’s you who’s wrong. But like I said a while back, this isn’t about facts. It’s just about you getting emotional over having been wrong.
But to pretend it’s “common” is taking the piss. Either your being extremely offensive or very ignorant. I can’t decide which.
But it’s normal here.
No it fucking isn’t. Nothing about that is normal. Sure, you can find examples of nastier shit going on in county jails, but to pretend like it’s “common” shows that you have absolutely no connection to actual criminals. Unlike me. (I’m a professional one, in case that wasn’t clear.)
It’s not even something most people are capable of. I have had a high BP since I was a kid due to a congenital kidney thing. (I had extra organs and then had to go through several major surgeries.) My pediatrician told me at 18 that I’ve the BP of an “80-year old woman”.
Most people will just fall asleep automatically after aome ~26-30 hours. People have a hard time staying up 72 hours even when theyre doing pharmaceutical grade stimulants.
My body is essentially just overclocked. And that’s why it crashes as well. I can’t get to sleep for days then eventually I might find myself on the bathroom floor on top of broken glass, or in an ambulance or at the ER.
But you, just like Finns, just have to actively dismiss anything I say, even though you’re having to say ridiculous, untrue shit like that.
The average person during an average night in a jail definitely doesn’t stay up all night, let alone three nights, let alone literally eating themselves. Have you ever tried biting yourself hard enough to draw blood?
No OF COURSE you haven’t, because it’s NOT COMMON OR NORMAL IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Are people locked in an isolated box without access to their medications? Yes.
We closed all the mental asylums and people who need help often end up in prison, and then they piss off guards and get locked in a solitary confinement
It’s normal not to mean it happens to a lot of people, but it’s basically always happening to someone. It’s normalized. The people don’t care. Occasionally a journalist will report on it or a politician will mention fixing the death rate of a prison, but it’s all just posturing
I had no trouble believing you, because it lines up with everything I know about the psychology of prisons. I’ve seen pictures like yours before, usually in English obviously
Do you not understand the gap between “no one believes it happened” and “no one cares enough to do anything about it”?
Jesus you’re stupid. I keep telling you you’re wrong, and why. Then you just pretend you didn’t hear it, that none of the inane silly bullshit you said was as inane as it actually was.
You understand significantly less than you think you do, and I understand significantly more than you’re even capable of understanding. You’ve shown that again and again and again, also while literally pretending like the experience I went through is something normal in the US. And you don’t base that off of ANYTHING other than your childish avoidance of admitting your ignorance.
I’ve seen this act literally thousands and thousands of time this will end with you spamming one liners and writing things like “oh you think I’m gonna read all that” while still pretending you understand better than I do, when pinä et suhu sedes uomeakaan.
Where were you when the second plane hit? What were you doing and thinking?
I’ve also kept it from the conversation this far to make you seem more ridiculous. Have you ever been to Finland? Have you ever even been in Europe, or even just out of the country?
Do you have Finnish relatives you’ve been mailing and seeing since you were a kid? No?
Have you ever been in prison?
Again no.
Time and time again you show your ignorance yet think it’s somehow better than my actual knowledge. This is why Trump won. You’re so easily misled by utterly shit rhetoric because you literally don’t even have literacy to understand the BS you’re spouting.
Remember that I’m choosing this language because *YOU" don’t speak any others. Hell, you’re probably not even functionally literate in English either, seems like.
Holy fuck you’re pretentious. And no, English is not my only language, I’m well traveled and I’ve lived abroad.
You. Don’t. Understand. America.
You know things lots of things about it. That isn’t the same thing. You’re not even very informed about life here, you’ve latched onto strange details from media and totally missed the kind of sociological analysis you’d need to begin to compare it to life in Finland
America is an escapist fantasy for you, it’s a place where you lived a different life, where you were recognized as extra special and your childhood wasn’t painful
It’s not a real place to you. It’s an emotion
You’re just like those weeaboos who move to Japan thinking it would be like an anime
I haven’t claimed that you don’t speak but a single language. I implied as much, and you got all bent out of shape that you know more languages. Again comparing, when the comparison is not even remotely close.
I imagine, (and again, imagining something doesn’t mean asserting it) that your second language skills are comparable to my Swedish or German. That is I can do customer service in Swedish but not hold a long conversation, and could perhaps order for myself in German, but not actually work with the language.
But I speak English fluently. Hell, arguably better than my native language. I for sure have a wider vocabulary in English, as that’s just the nature of the language, as English has more than a million words but Finnish some 100 000 and my English vocabulary exceeds 100k as per the test I previously mentioned.
You keep saying I don’t understand, but not accepting or admitting what you fail to understand.
You’re not even very informed about life here
Again, pulling shit out of your arse, just because.
Just because you don’t like admitting that you might have a poorer understanding than someone else. I may be wrong, but i would bet my left testicle that we could get tested by clinical psychologists and linguists and I have a wider understanding of US and English (+my native language and knowledge) than you do of the US and English against any given other country.
Where have you lived for, how long, what language do you speak as fluently as English? (Although your reading comprehension in English could use a bit of improving.)
So, based on *what" exactly do you think I’m not very informed? Specifically, that is?
onto strange details
See this is what I meant with your literacy. I speak your naive language better than you, lol, and you can’t accept I can understand the basics of the secret society that is 'Murica.
detail
/ˈdiːteɪl/
noun
1.
an individual fact or item.
I’ve literally prattled on a list about the general and largest problems in the US. Literally the opposite of “details”.
America is an escapist fantasy for you,
I wouldn’t fucking set foot in the US even if you paid me ten thousand dollars. Literally. I would not. I wouldn’t risk it. A million or a couple and we’re talking.
Just because I understand things which are better in the US doesn’t mean I think the US is better to live in. I’ve kept this the whole time, yet you keep insisting “you don’t understand”, when you can’t point to anything in detail which I don’t understand and whilst constantly telling you I’ve been extremely critical of the US for the past 25 years.
Speaking of… you still haven’t answered where you were on 9/11? I’d argue if you can’t even remember that, you can’t understand America. /s
I don’t actually argue that. But I definitely could if I were to argue as badly as you. Because betting that you’re under, idk, 30 isn’t really a huge bet. I accept I can be completely wrong and you’ve just ignored on accident, but it’s also likely you’re in your twenties and literally we’re a baby/didn’t exist when 9/11 happened. But I won’t. Since it’d be silly of me to assert what you know or don’t.
You’ll notice I still haven’t even asserted you don’t understand Finland properly. I’ve said I imagine you don’t, and that you clearly don’t understand that you don’t understand that I do understand. You can’t possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I can’t understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isn’t a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You haven’t. You just keep screeching “you don’t understand” without being able to point to the “details” you pretend I “latch onto”.
Your image of Finland is much more of a fantasy than my idea of the US, thats clear enough.
It’s getting to the bit where you’re gonna get so mad that deluding yourself won’t work anymore.
Jesus Christ… You’re a piece of work. I didn’t feel a need to defend my understanding of language until you slipped in jabs multiple times. Because my ideas stand for themselves
You’ll notice I still haven’t even asserted you don’t understand Finland properly. I’ve said I imagine you don’t, and that you clearly don’t understand that you don’t understand that I do understand. You can’t possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I can’t understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isn’t a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You haven’t. You just keep screeching “you don’t understand” without being able to point to the “details” you pretend I “latch onto”.
I’ve said multiple times. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT’S LIKE TO LIVE IN FINLAND. It would be insanely arrogant to claim otherwise, and not once in my life have I done so. I’ve had online friends who live there, my step dad has gone there at least once a year for like 40 years…I know plenty about your culture. But I’ve never experienced it
And it’s equally arrogant to think you understand my country.
But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people… I’ve given them rides. I’ve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion, but because the Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs. That’s exactly what I want for my country. That’s what I’m pointing at.
And of course you know more words in English. All languages have a speed at which they are spoken, and a set of vocabulary. All human languages have about the same information density, English has one of the largest vocabularies. I find Spanish poetry amusing, because of how it doesn’t translate well… It has one of the smallest vocabularies and highest words per minute
As for details… What’s your obsession with skipping grades? That’s not a real thing. We have magnet schools and gifted programs… Skipping grades is basically not a thing. It causes socialization problems. I slept through my classes through college, because I was bored.
You barely understand America at a surface level. I say that purely out of your weird beliefs. You talk like an America-phile, fetishizing my county with little understanding of how any of it works.
The smartest thing you’ve said is that you’d never come here. Because with your history with weed, you’d be locked in a box until they deported you. And I think that’s horrible.
No, you don’t, and unlike me, you’re unwilling to learn. I’ve been trying to teach you the difference, but you just keep saying I can’t possibly understand. You can’t reason that in any way, yet you assert it.
I’ve told you how those systems and laws you admire don’t work here. I’ve told you the extent to which I’ve chased these things and I’m telling you, the pathological avoidance is nation-wide. In the US, lawyers can actually profit from suing the state, so IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Not to everyone, not all the time, not even remotely. But like with “whole grades acceleration”, IT ACTUALLY DOES EXIST AND HAS MOTIVATIONS FOR WHY PEOPLE WOULD DO IT.
One course in law I took had the professor tell us how all of us probably had assumptions based on having seen so American TV. And we did. Suing is completely different. Justice systems are completely different, down to the core.
Can you even tell the key differences between common law and civil law systems without Googling?
I’ve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion
There isn’t one. You’re making shitty assumptions, yet again. I could explain why I was driving around drunks and homeless people, despite them not getting driven around because they’re homeless and/or drunks. But did you ask? No. You make shitty assumptions about some cloud cuckoo land where people don’t frown the homeless or substance abusers. It’s fantasy.
Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs
Again, you simply display your ignorance.
If you’re in New York and laying on the street, no-one will stop, “not my problem” they’ll think. In rural Kansas though, in a small village where eveyone know each other, they probably would. It’s called “the bystander effect”. And social programs can do that to whole nations. You simply aren’t willing to open your mind to the possibility that someone thinks so differently from you that you can’t understand it.
And because at the same time I assert that it doesn’t work the other way around, because I do understand the American frame of mind, I understand them both, you get all mad and start having a tantrum.
Despite the simple fact that I could pass for an American easily and could pass American citizenship test but you wouldn’t even be able to take the Finnish citizenship test and even if they allowed you to take it English, you wouldn’t pass.
And of course you know more words in English
Why of course? Because while English has a wider vocabulary, it doesn’t have more words, simply because of the agglutinative nature of Finnish multiplies the amount of words. But just like with every other mistake, you’ll just stop caring about that and won’t be able to address the fact that you were actually wrong about something.
Here, conjugating “a dog”
But you simply can’t accept the fact that I have a viewpoint which is wider than yours. Not in life in general, but for the differences in Finnish and American cultures and society, most definitely
God, you’re a fucking retard. I’ve had deeper conversations with people with extra chromosomes.
And I’m not being sarcastic, I genuinely have. They’re delightful people who only engage in good faith. They’re joyful, I still don’t understand what you stand for
Yes that’s literally just something that happens to people. Yes, it’s definitionally torture… But it’s normal here. Normally, people paint the walls in shit, but blood is far from unheard of
I feel like a good analogy for you diamissing me like that would be something like you dismissing Wolverine as “not understanding pain, because he has a healing factor”.
I can see the logic in that, but I just don’t agree with the sentiment
No, I’m dismissing wolverine’s pain because it doesn’t make his position on politics better.
I’m genuinely sorry you went through shit. It sounded terrible, I imagined myself in your situation and it’s an actual fear of mine
But I don’t know what to do with that. That’s not a political argument. I think we both firmly agree that it should not be done to people
Which is why I’m struggling to understand why you think media has given you an accurate picture of America, and why in the world you think your life would have gone better here
You gave me an anecdote about your country, and said I didn’t understand what it’s like there. I agree. I don’t understand what it’s like, I never have
Then you insist you understand my country from media. It’s media… They’re stories. Even the news is cropped to tell stories. You do have to actually live here to understand what it’s like, no amount of media exposure can communicate what it’s like to live somewhere.
I look at your country analytically, and I see social programs and some meaningful effort to fight inequality. I see better health outcomes, and an attitude that it’s not okay to let people just die on the streets. I want that for us, and more.
I also see problems. But they’re the problems I see everywhere - it’s like you have stage one cancer and we have stage 4, I’m interested in looking at what we’re doing differently to see if we have less cancer over here. I also think you should do something about your cancer, I’m anti-cancer
I’m not having escapist fantasies about your country, I’m pointing at some of your laws and saying “see? It can obviously be done, and it works out better”
No, you’re not disagreeing with anything. You’re plain saying he doesn’t feel pain because he regenerates, so he can’t understand it. You literally keep writing “you don’t understand”. Not “I disagree with your position”
Your literacy could use some improvement.
You think you do. Based on like 5 articles with variations of “Finland is the happiest country in the world” in the title.
You don’t even know what Finnish sounds like. Finnish isn’t a PIE-language, and I simply can not communicate all the understanding you lack. You seem to refuse to accept there are things you don’t know you don’t know.
Like how much language affects psychology, and how different it is in Finland from up top in the government and the bureaucracy all the way down to casual interactions of people in their daily lives.
You can’t accept that there’s a massive disparity between the subjects. Knowing and understanding Finland and Finnish just is much much harder than understanding the US. I’ve written this a dozen times, but again, most of our experiences from non-local things come from the media. And we have access to the same media. The difference is that the algorithm that pushes American news to you instead of Finnish ones does so to me as well. There’s no Finnish YouTube that’s separate from the actual one. You refuse to accept that I can actually understand American culture and society, because of how common it is, but that the same doesn’t apply towards your knowledge of Finland because of how small and insignificant we are as a country.
I could easily pass a US citizenship test (I’d prolly recount some of the dates beforehand but I’m fairly sure I could pass one without preparation.)
However you might not even seen words such as “perustuslaki”, “Väinämöinen”, “Kalevala”, “Koskenkorva” etc. You probably just know “sauna” and if you’ve been interested, then perhaps “vittu” and “perkele”.
But yet you refuse to accept there’s an asynchronicity to our knowledge about each others societies. Because of some ego thing. It’s kinda boring tbh, nothing I haven’t seen a million times online.
You’re right. I don’t understand Finnish at all.
I’ve never once thought I did, or really ever wanted to.
You think you could pass the citizenship test? You’re delusional.
If you understood the USA, you’d realize you’d be deported before you got to take the test. There is currently no path to citizenship, unless you come from South Africa and/or have money
No, you are. Just like you could be arguing that I simply can’t be fluent in English, despite me having literally better English than most Americans, you’re arguing that I can’t possibly pass a test about basic American facts, despite showing you detailed (remember what the word means) knowledge that far surpasses anything asked in the citizenship test.
edit oh yeah from https://americanhistory.si.edu/citizenship/test/results
edit 2 oh yeah i realise people won’t necessarily know the domain si.edu so
Ooh nooo, theese are sooooooo haard. Sure, I guessed that the Constitution wasn’t written in the same year as the declaration of independence was, so that was slightly a guess (I just assumed it wouldn’t be in the same year and whilst a decade or more seemed a tad long, seemed the most reasonable). I also guessed how many senators there are, but two to a state seemed reasonable. Over four would just mean so much squabbling and one per wouldn’t be enough.
And that’s without me preparing. If I actually prepared even for an afternoon, I would easily pass the US citizenship test. Will you admit that though? No fucking way. Because this isn’t about facts or understanding or anything. This is about your ego getting hurt, and because I’m not sorry about your ego getting hurt, you just keep doing your tantrum and won’t just stop replying (like you probably should for your mental health.) Like I’ve said, I’ve seen this thousands of times over the years, and like I said, this will probably devolve into you spitting one-word replies like “k” or “lol” or mockingly saying something like “you think I’m gonna read that”. That’s the way it usually goes. I’m gonna guess you’re gonna start by denouncing that taking the official US goverment test for if you’re ready to take your citizenship test (that online test) “doesn’t mean anything” and you still won’t accept the asynchronicity in our understandings, despite you not even being able to navigate the Finnish equivalent of a test like that, let alone knowing any of the answers. (To be fair, I’m not as confident I would ace the Finnish citizenship as I am that I’d ace the American one)
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holy illiteracy batman. I’ve said several times I wouldn’t want to step foot in your shithole. This doesn’t mean I can’t favour some of the things there, does it? Also saying that I have the required knowledge to pass the citizenship test doesn’t mean that I’m even attempting to get to take one, does it?
Dumbass. I think your English is fine
That’s not why you’d be shoved in a box. But you would be, because my county is a collapsing empire. Your opinions and knowledge don’t matter
You would be shoved into a box. That’s just objectively true.
Which part of “I would never ever step a foot in the United States of America” is hard for you to understand? Which part of having the knowledge to pass the citizenship test" do you think means “I want to travel to the US and take the citizenship test”?
You’re just extremely annoyed that I can actually prove that the I could very easily pass the test, as it doesn’t really ask anything special, and despite your inane insistence that I just possibly can’t understand American culture and society, I keep proving you wrong. You said “you’re delusional if you think you’d pass the citizenship test”. That’s you assuming what I know about the US. Then I do an official practice test just out of spite, and you keep insisting that I’m wrong, despite all the evidence showing it’s you who’s wrong. But like I said a while back, this isn’t about facts. It’s just about you getting emotional over having been wrong.
Yeah in a country of hundreds of millions.
But to pretend it’s “common” is taking the piss. Either your being extremely offensive or very ignorant. I can’t decide which.
No it fucking isn’t. Nothing about that is normal. Sure, you can find examples of nastier shit going on in county jails, but to pretend like it’s “common” shows that you have absolutely no connection to actual criminals. Unlike me. (I’m a professional one, in case that wasn’t clear.)
It’s not even something most people are capable of. I have had a high BP since I was a kid due to a congenital kidney thing. (I had extra organs and then had to go through several major surgeries.) My pediatrician told me at 18 that I’ve the BP of an “80-year old woman”.
Most people will just fall asleep automatically after aome ~26-30 hours. People have a hard time staying up 72 hours even when theyre doing pharmaceutical grade stimulants.
My body is essentially just overclocked. And that’s why it crashes as well. I can’t get to sleep for days then eventually I might find myself on the bathroom floor on top of broken glass, or in an ambulance or at the ER.
But you, just like Finns, just have to actively dismiss anything I say, even though you’re having to say ridiculous, untrue shit like that.
The average person during an average night in a jail definitely doesn’t stay up all night, let alone three nights, let alone literally eating themselves. Have you ever tried biting yourself hard enough to draw blood?
No OF COURSE you haven’t, because it’s NOT COMMON OR NORMAL IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Are people locked in an isolated box without access to their medications? Yes.
We closed all the mental asylums and people who need help often end up in prison, and then they piss off guards and get locked in a solitary confinement
It’s normal not to mean it happens to a lot of people, but it’s basically always happening to someone. It’s normalized. The people don’t care. Occasionally a journalist will report on it or a politician will mention fixing the death rate of a prison, but it’s all just posturing
I had no trouble believing you, because it lines up with everything I know about the psychology of prisons. I’ve seen pictures like yours before, usually in English obviously
Do you not understand the gap between “no one believes it happened” and “no one cares enough to do anything about it”?
Jesus you’re stupid. I keep telling you you’re wrong, and why. Then you just pretend you didn’t hear it, that none of the inane silly bullshit you said was as inane as it actually was.
You understand significantly less than you think you do, and I understand significantly more than you’re even capable of understanding. You’ve shown that again and again and again, also while literally pretending like the experience I went through is something normal in the US. And you don’t base that off of ANYTHING other than your childish avoidance of admitting your ignorance.
I’ve seen this act literally thousands and thousands of time this will end with you spamming one liners and writing things like “oh you think I’m gonna read all that” while still pretending you understand better than I do, when pinä et suhu sedes uomeakaan.
Where were you when the second plane hit? What were you doing and thinking?
I’ve also kept it from the conversation this far to make you seem more ridiculous. Have you ever been to Finland? Have you ever even been in Europe, or even just out of the country?
Do you have Finnish relatives you’ve been mailing and seeing since you were a kid? No?
Have you ever been in prison?
Again no.
Time and time again you show your ignorance yet think it’s somehow better than my actual knowledge. This is why Trump won. You’re so easily misled by utterly shit rhetoric because you literally don’t even have literacy to understand the BS you’re spouting.
Remember that I’m choosing this language because *YOU" don’t speak any others. Hell, you’re probably not even functionally literate in English either, seems like.
Holy fuck you’re pretentious. And no, English is not my only language, I’m well traveled and I’ve lived abroad.
You. Don’t. Understand. America.
You know things lots of things about it. That isn’t the same thing. You’re not even very informed about life here, you’ve latched onto strange details from media and totally missed the kind of sociological analysis you’d need to begin to compare it to life in Finland
America is an escapist fantasy for you, it’s a place where you lived a different life, where you were recognized as extra special and your childhood wasn’t painful
It’s not a real place to you. It’s an emotion
You’re just like those weeaboos who move to Japan thinking it would be like an anime
I haven’t claimed that you don’t speak but a single language. I implied as much, and you got all bent out of shape that you know more languages. Again comparing, when the comparison is not even remotely close.
I imagine, (and again, imagining something doesn’t mean asserting it) that your second language skills are comparable to my Swedish or German. That is I can do customer service in Swedish but not hold a long conversation, and could perhaps order for myself in German, but not actually work with the language.
But I speak English fluently. Hell, arguably better than my native language. I for sure have a wider vocabulary in English, as that’s just the nature of the language, as English has more than a million words but Finnish some 100 000 and my English vocabulary exceeds 100k as per the test I previously mentioned.
You keep saying I don’t understand, but not accepting or admitting what you fail to understand.
Again, pulling shit out of your arse, just because.
Just because you don’t like admitting that you might have a poorer understanding than someone else. I may be wrong, but i would bet my left testicle that we could get tested by clinical psychologists and linguists and I have a wider understanding of US and English (+my native language and knowledge) than you do of the US and English against any given other country.
Where have you lived for, how long, what language do you speak as fluently as English? (Although your reading comprehension in English could use a bit of improving.)
So, based on *what" exactly do you think I’m not very informed? Specifically, that is?
See this is what I meant with your literacy. I speak your naive language better than you, lol, and you can’t accept I can understand the basics of the secret society that is 'Murica.
detail /ˈdiːteɪl/ noun
I’ve literally prattled on a list about the general and largest problems in the US. Literally the opposite of “details”.
I wouldn’t fucking set foot in the US even if you paid me ten thousand dollars. Literally. I would not. I wouldn’t risk it. A million or a couple and we’re talking.
Just because I understand things which are better in the US doesn’t mean I think the US is better to live in. I’ve kept this the whole time, yet you keep insisting “you don’t understand”, when you can’t point to anything in detail which I don’t understand and whilst constantly telling you I’ve been extremely critical of the US for the past 25 years.
Speaking of… you still haven’t answered where you were on 9/11? I’d argue if you can’t even remember that, you can’t understand America. /s
I don’t actually argue that. But I definitely could if I were to argue as badly as you. Because betting that you’re under, idk, 30 isn’t really a huge bet. I accept I can be completely wrong and you’ve just ignored on accident, but it’s also likely you’re in your twenties and literally we’re a baby/didn’t exist when 9/11 happened. But I won’t. Since it’d be silly of me to assert what you know or don’t.
You’ll notice I still haven’t even asserted you don’t understand Finland properly. I’ve said I imagine you don’t, and that you clearly don’t understand that you don’t understand that I do understand. You can’t possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I can’t understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isn’t a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You haven’t. You just keep screeching “you don’t understand” without being able to point to the “details” you pretend I “latch onto”.
Your image of Finland is much more of a fantasy than my idea of the US, thats clear enough.
It’s getting to the bit where you’re gonna get so mad that deluding yourself won’t work anymore.
Jesus Christ… You’re a piece of work. I didn’t feel a need to defend my understanding of language until you slipped in jabs multiple times. Because my ideas stand for themselves
I’ve said multiple times. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT’S LIKE TO LIVE IN FINLAND. It would be insanely arrogant to claim otherwise, and not once in my life have I done so. I’ve had online friends who live there, my step dad has gone there at least once a year for like 40 years…I know plenty about your culture. But I’ve never experienced it
And it’s equally arrogant to think you understand my country.
But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people… I’ve given them rides. I’ve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion, but because the Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs. That’s exactly what I want for my country. That’s what I’m pointing at.
And of course you know more words in English. All languages have a speed at which they are spoken, and a set of vocabulary. All human languages have about the same information density, English has one of the largest vocabularies. I find Spanish poetry amusing, because of how it doesn’t translate well… It has one of the smallest vocabularies and highest words per minute
As for details… What’s your obsession with skipping grades? That’s not a real thing. We have magnet schools and gifted programs… Skipping grades is basically not a thing. It causes socialization problems. I slept through my classes through college, because I was bored.
You barely understand America at a surface level. I say that purely out of your weird beliefs. You talk like an America-phile, fetishizing my county with little understanding of how any of it works.
The smartest thing you’ve said is that you’d never come here. Because with your history with weed, you’d be locked in a box until they deported you. And I think that’s horrible.
No, you don’t, and unlike me, you’re unwilling to learn. I’ve been trying to teach you the difference, but you just keep saying I can’t possibly understand. You can’t reason that in any way, yet you assert it.
I’ve told you how those systems and laws you admire don’t work here. I’ve told you the extent to which I’ve chased these things and I’m telling you, the pathological avoidance is nation-wide. In the US, lawyers can actually profit from suing the state, so IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Not to everyone, not all the time, not even remotely. But like with “whole grades acceleration”, IT ACTUALLY DOES EXIST AND HAS MOTIVATIONS FOR WHY PEOPLE WOULD DO IT.
One course in law I took had the professor tell us how all of us probably had assumptions based on having seen so American TV. And we did. Suing is completely different. Justice systems are completely different, down to the core.
Can you even tell the key differences between common law and civil law systems without Googling?
There isn’t one. You’re making shitty assumptions, yet again. I could explain why I was driving around drunks and homeless people, despite them not getting driven around because they’re homeless and/or drunks. But did you ask? No. You make shitty assumptions about some cloud cuckoo land where people don’t frown the homeless or substance abusers. It’s fantasy.
Again, you simply display your ignorance.
If you’re in New York and laying on the street, no-one will stop, “not my problem” they’ll think. In rural Kansas though, in a small village where eveyone know each other, they probably would. It’s called “the bystander effect”. And social programs can do that to whole nations. You simply aren’t willing to open your mind to the possibility that someone thinks so differently from you that you can’t understand it.
And because at the same time I assert that it doesn’t work the other way around, because I do understand the American frame of mind, I understand them both, you get all mad and start having a tantrum.
Despite the simple fact that I could pass for an American easily and could pass American citizenship test but you wouldn’t even be able to take the Finnish citizenship test and even if they allowed you to take it English, you wouldn’t pass.
Why of course? Because while English has a wider vocabulary, it doesn’t have more words, simply because of the agglutinative nature of Finnish multiplies the amount of words. But just like with every other mistake, you’ll just stop caring about that and won’t be able to address the fact that you were actually wrong about something.
Here, conjugating “a dog”
But you simply can’t accept the fact that I have a viewpoint which is wider than yours. Not in life in general, but for the differences in Finnish and American cultures and society, most definitely
God, you’re a fucking retard. I’ve had deeper conversations with people with extra chromosomes.
And I’m not being sarcastic, I genuinely have. They’re delightful people who only engage in good faith. They’re joyful, I still don’t understand what you stand for