“There is no legal requirement that US citizens carry papers or have proof of their citizenship on them,” said an attorney at the ACLU of Northern California.
Federal law enforcement agencies are detaining US citizens who do not carry proof of their citizenship in what civil rights advocates describe as a flagrant violation of constitutional rights—and a top Trump administration official is claiming the government has the authority to do so.
A Somali-born Minnesota man was alarmed by the practice last Tuesday when immigration agents tackled him, handcuffed him, and arrested him, refusing to accept his REAL ID as proof of his legal residence in a video that was widely circulated on social media.
The man, who identified only as Mubashir, was placed into a chokehold and forced to his knees in the snow on his way to get food in Minneapolis’ Cedar-Riverside neighborhood, which has a large Somali population.
Also, even if you’re carrying your ID with you, there are multiple cases of ICE deciding the papers are fake and arresting you anyway.
That guy they just charged was trying to show them his identification for a while…the real problem was that he had too much melanin…
ETA: this guy - https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minneapolis-leaders-say-us-citizen-was-wrongfully-arrested-by-ice-agents/
Just a reminder that America does not have a national ID and that while most people think a driver’s license is our ID only 71% of Americans have one. Children, the elderly, people who are too poor to have a car, or people who live in cities that don’t need cars (which is like, 5 cities but is still a notable percent of the population) are all people who may not have an ID and all of them have been rounded up by ICE. This is a further attack on the poor specifically but on the vulnerable in general
All of this is a feature, not a bug.
People in cities are almost all coded as too ethnic, too atheist, too gay, too liberal, too smart, etc…also, if you can punish those who are not properly taking their part in our car culture, that’s a huge win for the trucknutz crowd.
The poor are something the elitists (for all their bullshit talk about things like farming or mining or “the forgotten man”) love to crush anyway. Same for children - they are fodder for wars and the likes of Epstein and Taco’s whims.
Oh I am fully aware, but I find it important to point out the underlying thing they’re exploiting when you see statements like this. Just like passing ID laws and bans on porn are a subtext to censor LGBTQ people
Usually people who don’t have a driver’s license instead acquire a state ID, which is exactly the same but doesn’t license you to drive.
It takes the same effort to get an ID as a license. If I can’t afford one or don’t have the documentation then it’s the same problem.
Do you have any proof of that because I genuinely have not seen that in my experience. Usually it’s social security numbers, birth certificate, passports, and bills that I see as documentation in lieu of driver’s licenses
Proof? I mean, I know that my state issues state IDs (what we always called them in my youth). I’m seeing that you’re better off searching for “non driver identification card” now.
https://nn4youth.org/a-state-by-state-guide-to-obtaining-id-cards/
My point wasn’t that everyone who didn’t have a driver’s license had a state ID instead, rather to counter the implication that people who don’t have a driver’s license don’t have access to government issued photo ID apart from a passport. If you don’t drive, you can still get a non driver’s ID card from your state using the same supporting documentation (apart from the driver’s tests) and fee as a driver’s license.
Oh I misunderstood you then. I thought you were saying that people actually used state IDs. I understand that they are available but in practice I have never seen people using them
Then you’ve never worked somewhere that sold alcohol or tobacco. Your ignorance is your own issue.
Back in the day, in my state you could have both at the same time - and they’d also hold your driver’s license as bond if you got a ticket. So I got both for myself for when that happened.
I have a kid today who doesn’t drive, has state ID. People do actually use state IDs, but it’s really only for people who haven’t already got a driver’s license, or who have had their driver’s license revoked, so they’re definitely not as common.
But they’re there, and if you can’t have a driver’s license, you should definitely get a state ID. I don’t know what situation you’re in where you’re being presented with identification, but it might be a nice idea to make sure people whose paths you cross without photo ID are aware of their options where you are.
What? I used a state ID before I got my DL, as did everybody in my high school?
And many Americans on the right would tell you that a national ID is government overreach. Yeah I heard that from a coworker last year.
Remember when lots of the right and so-called centrist moral scolds would get all inflamed when someone were to call Republicans fascists?
Watch your tone, they’d cry, and then blather about things like Godwin’s Law or lecture about how calling Republicans fascist is just as bad as saying the n-word, or something…people like Tucker would say that if someone like him were to be fascist, it would be the fault of liberals because, really, what choice did he even have, and so on?
Plenty still will. They’ve decided both sides have a point and both sides exaggerate and both sides are pretty bad but not fully evil. They define themselves as between the two parties. The right realized that and ran all the way right, especially as they noticed many on the right defined themselves as to the right of the centrists, however far they were when they first thought of their views.
To accept what is happening requires accepting that loved ones among masses have adopted beliefs once reserved for foolish, reprehensible, evil losers. But few among us have grappled with what our ancestors who we may have known, believed before the invasion of Poland.
It’s even worse! At least in the Nazi trope they were polite about it; ICE meanwhile will just fucking tackle you.
More like “papers, [racial slur]!”
The law protects them, however a law that isn’t enforced or observed by officials is pretty useless. Ideally you would go along with the wrongly arresting officer to fight it in court, but when they are doing whatever they want, if you don’t fight back at the start you could end up anywhere and in any condition. The only good thing is that so far they don’t expect resistance, they count on people being scared. Resist. If you see someone in trouble, do something. It’s apathy that helps this spread.
This is how Trump plans to go after black people.
Well, I doubt it stops there.
No doubt.
If Trump says it’s the law now, it may as well be
