Israel was taken by surprise by the most ambitious operation Hamas has ever launched from Gaza.

The scale of what’s been happening is unprecedented. Hamas breached the wire that separates Gaza from Israel in multiple places in the most serious cross-border attack Israel has faced in more than a generation.

It came a day after the 50th anniversary of the surprise attack by Egypt and Syria in 1973 that started a major Middle East war. The significance of the date will not have been lost on the Hamas leadership.

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says his country is at war and will exact a heavy price from its enemies.

Videos and photos of dead Israelis, civilians as well as soldiers, are all over social media.

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    So you don’t care about any other human rights, only rights for women, right? So if a country doesn’t have a perfect gender equality track record, I can’t be upset at injustices happening to Palestinian people because some Palestinians are religious extremists.

    What does that remind me of? Oh yeah, blatant racism.

    Still waiting on a source that says people have been stoned to death for dressing inappropriately in Palestine. You completely ignored that.

    I have no doubt there is religious extremism and I understand that freedoms for women and overall freedom in Palestine are far from perfect. But a large reason religious extremist groups in Palestine have as much power as they do is thanks to Israel’s suppression causing more extremism, so if you ACTUALLY care about women’s rights in Palestine, you’d be advocating for Israel to end their oppression.

    Im not silly enough to think that if these abrahamic relgions spread that I will be spared.

    But you are silly enough to think that they’re gonna spread and affect you. Right now, they don’t. RIGHT NOW, the Israeli government is continuing it’s apartheid state, oppressing indigenous people.

    And because you can’t be assed to look anything up, I’ll copy-paste for you:

    Palestinian women’s struggle for gender equality and women’s rights is restricted by two main interrelated forces: the Israeli occupation, and internal patriarchal control. Women activists in Palestine are fighting simultaneously on two fronts for political (national) and social (gender) liberation. They remain sceptical of a feminist agenda that primarily focuses on individual and social gender empowerment and instead insist that gender inequality in their context stems not only from patriarchal oppression, but from poverty, economic dependency, continued political violence, insecurity and instability caused by Israeli occupation, siege and settler-colonial policies. Israeli occupation policies of territorial (and political) fragmentation, spatial separation and mobility restrictions have systematically dispossessed, occupied and destroyed Palestinian living spaces, breaking up Palestinian territory into several unconnected and isolated cantons. Such policies of spatial control have a severe damaging impact on Palestinian economy (Roy, 2004), society, family and kinship organisation (Johnson, 2006), but also on women’s activism. Women are not only divided geographically (between - and within - the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Diaspora), but, more importantly, their contexts and predicaments are widely varying: refugees, West Bank and Gaza ‘citizens’, East Jerusalemites and Palestinians with Israeli citizenship all have different access to rights. This wide variation and fragmentation complicates women activists’ efforts to organise a united agenda. While the specificities of refugees and ‘citizens’ in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem will be drawn out, this note does not cover Palestinian women’s rights and issues of gender equality inside Israel or the Diaspora. Women’s rights in Palestine thus cannot be dealt with in isolation; the impact that the occupation and political conflict have on women’s legal, social, cultural, educational, economic and political status is crucial when looking for possible strategies to empower women. This is not to say that patriarchal structures and cultures are not a major concern for Palestinian women’s activists. To the contrary, it highlights that women’s empowerment in the Palestinian context and their struggle for equal rights is closely linked to their political and economic empowerment which can only be achieved by ending the Israeli occupation.

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      Bro saying Hamas doesn’t have a ‘perfect track record’ is the biggest understatement. They push towards fundamentalism every chance they get and rose to power through violence.

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        Palestine≠Hamas.

        Palestine is a country/people, Hamas is an extremist religious group that controls a portion of Palestinian territory right now.

        Funny how you COMPLETELY IGNORED the source I shared which discussed exactly how that circumstance affects women’s rights. And chose not to speak at all about the ongoing struggle for gender equality or equality for Palestinians. But instead chose to focus on your hatred for an extremist militant organization while equivocating that as representing an entire people who cannot possibly be represented by them due to the very nature of the situation.

        Almost like, in all your comments, you were never actually concerned about women’s rights, but were just looking to excuse your bigotry.

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          Your source mentions internal patriarchal control on the same level as the Israeli occupation. Almost like you just ignore evidence that yea, Sunni Muslim populations who welcome Shar’ia law don’t provide good lives for women by definition.

          You also ignored my question about what Hamas would do to Israel if they had more weapons / power.

          You’re the one confusing Palestine and Hamas. Israel is attacking the Gaza strip which is run by Hamas.

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            Almost like you just ignore evidence that yea, Sunni Muslim populations who welcome Shar’ia law don’t provide good lives for women by definition.

            Where in any of my comments did I ignore that? You’re the one ignoring oppression of women by being dismissive of the oppression of Palestinians.

            You understand how intersectional feminism works, right? You understand how extremist groups like Hamas have substantially more power and support because of the oppression of the Palestinian people, right? Oh no, you don’t. You’re totally uneducated on the situation there, and shouldn’t be speaking on it until you take the time to read a damn book.

            You also ignored my question about what Hamas would do to Israel if they had more weapons / power.

            Because it’s an idiotic question. The reason Hamas exists at all is Israeli oppression and attempted genocide of Palestinians, the reason Hamas became a terrorist group attacking civilian targets is Israeli oppression. Hamas doesn’t exist without absolutely disproportionate Israeli violence. Israel DOES have the power, and IS suppressing. “What if” Hamas was as powerful as Israel is an absolutely idiotic question to pose that does nothing to help discussion, nothing to educate, IT ADDS NOTHING TO THE CONVERSATION and demonstrates an utter lack of education on the nature/origins of the conflict. Therefore it’s a stupid fucking question that didn’t deserve an answer, but because you’re so fucking dense, there.

            You’re the one confusing Palestine and Hamas. Israel is attacking the Gaza strip which is run by Hamas.

            Wow congratulations you know something! Yes Gaza is run by Hamas. Doesn’t mean that everyone living there is Hamas, headass. Most people are just Palestinians. Thats like saying "you’re confusing Jews and Israel, the nation of Israeli is an extremist government. Like yeah no shit.

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                Wow look at that you said something that wasn’t totally braindead, and actually managed to not stereotype all Palestinians as religious extremist terrorists! Great job!

                Now focus your energy on the oppressor instead of blaming Israel and Hamas equally, and maybe read a book on the situation before u keep talking about it.

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                  and you learned nothing. And you refused to engage with or acknowledge any information that complicates your opinion that Palestine = innocent victim. You won’t admit out loud that Palestinians refused to live in peace with Israel, just as Israel has refused to live in peace with Palestine.

                  I wonder which of us is arriving at an informed worldview, and which of us is DunningKrugering around the internet name-calling.

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                    and you learned nothing

                    Because you didn’t add anything to the conversation. Please give me some actual information on the Palestine-Israel situation that I don’t know so I can fucking learn something.

                    And you refused to engage with or acknowledge any information that complicates your opinion that Palestine = innocent victim

                    Not true at all, and I never claimed Palestine = innocent victim, you’re putting words in my mouth like idiots do when they’re losing an argument. You have to argue against shit I didn’t say to have a response that isn’t “you’re right I should educate myself on this topic which I have demonstrated I know far less about”.

                    You’re the one that ignored my request for a source on women in Palestine being stoned.

                    You won’t admit out loud that Palestinians refused to live in peace with Israel, just as Israel has refused to live in peace with Palestine.

                    We’re not speaking out loud so of course I didn’t say that out loud, fucking genius.

                    And again, the fact that you would make that statement at all showcases your complete and utter lack of understanding of the nature of the conflict. It’s painfully obvious how fucking ignorant you are. Hamas actually started out trying to work things out through diplomatic channels, but Israel went behind their backs, cut them out, and intentionally sabotaged peace talks throughout the history of the conflict. They (Hamas) started adopting the horrific methods employed today after many attempts by many members to resolve things without violence.

                    I’m not going to explain the entire history of the Palestine-Israel conflict to you, but Palestinians (not all, some are militant) have been striving for and advocating for peace at the hands of their oppressor Israel who murders many times more innocent people, YOU JUST DON’T WANT TO HEAR IT.

                    I don’t wonder which of us is arriving at an informed worldview, it’s the one reading books and informing themselves on situations before commenting on them. (not you)

                    Ironic that you’d bring up Dunning-Kruger when it’s been painfully obvious to me for some time that you actually have no idea what you’re talking about, yet continue to pretend to have some level of knowledge, despite your “knowledge” being glittering generalities, outright falsehoods, total misconceptions about the nature of people and groups, and an utter lack of understanding of the overall nature of the conflict.

                    It’s like when an actor is playing a nerd and they say a bunch of computer terms but they’re using them wrong and to anyone who knows computers they’re just saying a bunch of nonsensical shit. That’s what it’s like reading your comments about Palestine.

                    GO EDUCATE YOURSELF, STOP SITTING IN IGNORANCE. If you need book recommendations, I’m happy to provide a few. But stop spewing BS when you do obviously have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.