Israel’s military has informed the United Nations that the entire population of northern Gaza should relocate to the southern half of the territory within 24 hours, the U.N. spokesman, Stéphane Dujarric, said late on Thursday night, adding that such a movement — involving over one million people — would lead to “devastating humanitarian consequences.”

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    Genocide is bad.

    Sure I feel sorry for the civilians but I am not going to support terrorists and none of this would’ve happened if it weren’t for Hamas

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      Time and time and time again. It has been shown that moral bombing does not work. The sort of organisation that would do what Hamas did would not stop because some of their civilians get hurt or killed. Steamrolling the gaza population to get to hamas will just create an human catastrophe that will likely inspire more violence and instability in the region. As painful as it is de escalation is the right move forward.

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        It has been shown that moral bombing does not work.

        That’s why they’re invading. They spent the last 20 years using limited amounts of force to respond to Hamas’ provocations. 20 years where gaza has the 1967 borders, zero settlements, zero internal checkpoints, Jews evicted at gunpoint; everything that should be required for lasting peace.

        And after all that time and effort, they get the elderly, inform, children, toddlers in peaceful communities executed en-mass. Rockets built by tearing up electric, sewage and water utilities and impoverishing it’s citizens, fueled by fertilizers stolen from it’s citizens, paid with money stolen from it’s citizens.

        If it’s not clear that an Israeli pullback to the 1967 borders won’t be effective now, it never will be.

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          20 years where gaza has the 1967 borders, zero settlements, zero internal checkpoints, Jews evicted at gunpoint; everything that should be required for lasting peace.

          You’re a fascist idiot if you sincerely believe that, but just so nobody falls for your bullshit, there was an opportunity for peace with Hamas once. It was 2012, where a ceasefire was signed, and one of its condition was the lifting of the blockade. Around that time, the West Bank government and Hamas started working towards creating a unified government and seriously pursuing peace. Everything Israel would’ve welcomed if it wanted peace. Well what happened?

          The Israeli government vehemently opposed the unified government, calling on Mahmoud Abbas to choose between “peace with Israel or peace with Hamas”. They also didn’t lift the blockade. Naturally, because people don’t like being tricked, and really don’t like living in open-air prisons, Hamas resumed its attacks and the whole thing fell through.

          Everything that should’ve been required for peace, gone to waste because Israel didn’t want peace.

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            Everything that should’ve been required for peace, gone to waste because Israel didn’t want peace.

            Bullshit. Realizing that Hamas was tearing up it’s own infrastructure to build rockets and refusing to stop the blockade during. A period of regular rocket attacks doesn’t mean it didn’t wasn’t peace. 2012 was the “we cease you fire” ceasefire era.

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              I like how you just dismissed the conclusion without addressing the reasoning. Anyway for everyone who’s wondering why there isn’t peace in the region, there you have it.

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                Hamas didn’t resume rocket fire. The 2012 era ceasefire is the one where they kept firing rockets.

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                  From December 2012 to late June/early July 2014, Hamas did not fire rockets into Israel, and tried to police other groups doing so.[111] These efforts were largely successful; Netanyahu stated in March 2014 that the rocket fire in the past year was the “lowest in a decade.”[29][111][112] According to Shabak, in the first half of 2014 there were 181 rocket attacks[113] compared to 55 rocket attacks in whole 2013.

                  -Wikipedia.

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        It sure is justified “in any way”. Not being justified at all would’ve looked like this:

        • Palestinians do nothing
        • Israel attacks

        We all know this is not how it went down.

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          As far as I’m concerned the vast majority of the population (considering that over half is quite literally 18 years old and younger) did not do anything. Palestine =/ Hamas.

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        Is giving civilians a warning to move south somehow not justified? Would you rather have them massacred with no warning?

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          It is well known that those are the only two options. Also, the problem here is that the task is not possible, according to UN personnel, not me or you. So this feels a lot as just a way to create plausible deniability by saying “we tried hard to spare civilians”.

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          Well yea I’m glad there was at least some sort of warning, but how do you move over 1million people in 24 hours and where? But how does telling civilians to basically leave their homes to be destroyed justified? First they cut off necessities of life now they’re telling them to get lost.

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      You don’t feel sorry for them you asshole. You just posted that it was a good thing they died up above.