Grayjay - Follow Creators, Not Platforms
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Grayjay is a unique media application that revolutionizes the relationship between content creators and their audience. Our app democratizes the content delivery process, shifting the focus from platforms to creators themselves.

Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.

adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit

(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)

  • sir_reginald@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17225·
    1 year ago

    basically Newpipe but only source available, not really free software or open source, so they are restricting your freedoms.

    Just keep using Newpipe instead.

    • LemmyNameMyself@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6738·
      1 year ago

      It is open source but you can’t publish modified code (this is to ensure there will be no malicious forks like there was with newpipe)

      plus you missed the entire point:

      … app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.

      It’s an app that allows you to watch the same creators across many platforms

      • Skull giver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nlEnglish
        1078·
        1 year ago

        It is open source but you can’t publish modified code

        That’s not what most people consider “open source”.

        It’s pretty hilarious that Rossman thinks malicious forks are going to care about the license, lol. Malicious devs clone Candy Crush and every other proprietary app they can find just to insert ads or maybe malware. Plus, basic trademark law already allows fighting fake apps, I don’t see how such a restrictive license is supposed to help.

        • Kidplayer_666@lemm.eeEnglish
          202·
          1 year ago

          That’s not the problem. The question is, stopping actors that put ads and paywalls behind modified source, which technically isn’t malicious, it’s just being a jerk and this licensing makes it much easier to take down. Ofc, if he actually wanted it to be open source, he’d just force all derivatives to be non commercial.

          • Skull giver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nlEnglish
            216·
            1 year ago

            A non-commercial license is generally not considered to be FOSS (“open source”). If you build a great, ad-free version that forks off because you disagree with some decision (i.e. you have a fancy recommendation algorithm that upstream doesn’t like), normal open source would allow you to sell access to that app.

            I get that he wants a “just in case” clause to take down forks Rossmann doesn’t like, but the way it’s stated makes the project sound dickish.

          • can@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            15·
            1 year ago

            Oh yeah, because someone who wants to do that is going to see that and think oh no, he doesn’t want us to, guess we shouldn’t

            • Kidplayer_666@lemm.eeEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              That’s not the point. The point is takedown actions being a lot easier especially if one of the idiots tries to argue against

            • firesDump@feddit.deEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              The point is, that anyone who tries to make money by ad-bombing the app and adding it to the playstore will be punished. If you post your virus-infected fork in the far-behind edge of internet-nowhere Louis would not care about that. Otherwise: why do you not ask him yourself if you want to post your own fork and under which conditions that should be possible. If you ride principles, then develop your own app that is much much better and FOSS than grayjay. Nobody stops you.

        • figaro@lemdro.idEnglish
          101·
          1 year ago

          I mean, at least in this case he can take down fake copies from the most popular app stores. That mitigates the reach of malicious clones a lot.

          • Skull giver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nlEnglish
            213·
            1 year ago

            I half expected this from Rossman, but he hasn’t written a single line of code. The license seems to have been partially copy pasted from somewhere else, probably by one of the devs. Surely they would’ve informed him about how stupid the license idea is, or at least told him to ask his lawyer.

            Luckily the title does state “temporary license”, maybe they’ll swap it out for a normal license down the line.

      • Fedora@lemmy.haigner.meEnglish
        831·
        1 year ago

        FUTO Temporary License (FTL) violates the following open-source principles:

        • Open source licenses must allow free redistribution. FTL allows license suspension and termination at any time, without notice, for any or no reason.
        • Open source licenses must allow source code distribution. FTL allows restrictions to access the code at any time, without notice, for any or no reason.
        • Open source licenses must allow modifications. FTL allows modifications only for non-commercial use, or maybe not even that. FTL dodges the word modifications here, no clue.
        • Open source licenses must explicitly allow distribution of software built from modified source code. FTL forbids distribution of software built from modified source code for commercial use.
        • Open source licenses must not discriminate against persons/groups and fields of endeavor. FTL allows license suspension and termination at any time, without notice, for any or no reason.

        The FTL enables the following practices:

        • Copyright holders can change the license terms.
        • Copyright holders can re-license everything.
        • Copyright holders can target specific groups and individuals with discriminatory license terms.
        • Copyright holders can close source everything.
        • Copyright holders can forbid specific groups and individuals from using their work.
      • rush@lemm.eeEnglish
        27·
        1 year ago

        newpipe does YouTube, SoundCloud, Peertube, and Bandcamp. NewPipe isn’t YouTube-Only.

      • 520@kbin.social
        111·
        1 year ago

        It is open source but you can’t publish modified code (this is to ensure there will be no malicious forks like there was with newpipe)

        1. that is not open source. That is source available.

        2. because we all know that license agreements are a line that trojan distributors will not cross. Not malware distribution, not hacking laws, but copyright infringement. They’d never do that at all.

        • Hate@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          because we all know that license agreements are a line that trojan distributors will not cross. Not malware distribution, not hacking laws, but copyright infringement. They’d never do that at all.

          I believe it would be significantly easier to submit a takedown request for copyright issues, compared to reporting an app for being malicious.

          • 520@kbin.social
            1·
            1 year ago

            That’s not the case at all. These kind of Trojan operations are fly-by-night setups, and have the advantage of being able to react far faster than the official Devs. By the time you as the dev even know of the app’s existence, they’ve already infected hundreds. And when you do get round to filing a takedown notice, they’ll be back up the next day under a different name.

            Even Nintendo can’t get copyright infringing shit off Play Store in any fast capacity. Heck, Google will even run ads for people blatantly breaking copyright laws.

            Edit: and that’s before considering that Google won’t let them onto play store and being only source available excludes them from eligibility for official F-Droid repos. They’re going to have an absolute bitch of a time dealing with fakes and Trojans, even if they didn’t release the source code at all

        • newIdentity@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          You can’t search multiple platforms at once with newpipe. This is a bigger thing that you think.

          Also it has recommendations

    • erg@lemmy.caEnglish
      102·
      1 year ago

      I don’t believe newpipe has a way to cast so that’s what I’m interested in here

      • Fedora@lemmy.haigner.meEnglish
        93·
        1 year ago

        Nah, Louis explains that the app is open-source, but describes open-source as source-available.

    • PeachMan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      811·
      1 year ago

      Have you used it? It’s like NewPipe except that it’s better in almost every way. The ONLY downside is that it’s just old-fashioned open source instead of FOSS.

        • PeachMan@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          1 year ago

          Incorrect. People have been calling random software open source since the 80s, because it’s a very vague term. The new definition that you think is gospel wasn’t invented until the OSI was formed in '98.

        • HughJanus@lemmy.mlEnglish
          26·
          1 year ago

          “open source” is a self explanatory phrase. The source code is open, therefore it’s open source.