Good thing everyone jumped to conclusions
NPR seems to agree with this aswell. Pretty much the exact same thing I was saying yesterday and got banned from lemmy.ml for my efforts despite never even claiming it’s conclusive yet, just where the available evidence seems to be pointing towards. No “leveled” hospital building and probably no 500 victims either.
Doesn’t in no way excuse the other atrocities Israel has commited, but this doesn’t seem to be one of those.
Lemmy.ml went full mask off after this event. They’re as bad as lemmygrad and hexbear.
Fuck leftists terrorist apologizers
Yeah it’s honestly not even worth opening posts about the conflict posted there.
They still are denying it was Hamas.
Good grief. I may need to go shop for other instances to call home, just in case.
The “hospital” is just a collection of small buildings clustered around a 2,000 m2 carpark. None of which were destroyed.
A lie is halfway round the world before the next lie drowns out the truth.
I think in this particular case, both sides won’t admit their own mistake, so instead of promoting the next theory let’s wait for external and independent investigation.
This guy appears to have reasonable and objective arguments against an involvement of Israel:
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The fog of war is real and initial BREAKING NEWS reports should be treated with healthy skepticism until we get a clearer picture of the evidence.
There was pretty good video evidence almost immediately though. And additional video/picture evidence has come out to support it.
It’s actually an interesting case because there wasn’t actually much fog of war here. The confusion here is the information warfare.
Just like this should also probably be treated with skepticism… The people investigating are going to be from groups which want the narrative to be true. Israel controls the people who come in and out. The people investigating. Theyanipulate the news and the facts.
Whoever has more money and power controls the narrative in this world. It’s the way it’s been for decades if not centuries. The victors write history and they print the news articles before it becomes history.
Yeah but then how do they control their innate antisemitism feelings
No one’s going to comment on “professional war crimes investigator” being a thing? His mental health professionals are going to need mental health professionals. You have to wonder how Nihilist his worldview is after 20 years.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In the immediate aftermath of the explosion at a hospital in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, Hamas — and many observers — were quick to blame Israel, which has been conducting nonstop bombing runs for days in response to recent terror attacks.
As daylight broke on Wednesday and a clearer picture of the site was revealed, US officials, experts, and analysts began to push back on the initial claims that blamed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).
As details of the incident, including videos of the munition flying past, began to surface Tuesday, some observers noted that the weapon appeared to be under power, which would be the case for rockets, but not air-dropped bombs.
As daytime photographs and videos of the scene began circulating across social media on Wednesday, some independent analysts, experts, and open-source intelligence accounts pointed out the lack of a massive crater and little structural damage to cars in the vicinity as a telling sign that an airstrike was unlikely the cause.
If Israel had struck the hospital with an air-dropped bomb, some of which are heavy 2,000-pound munitions, Garlasco said he would expect to see a larger crater somewhere between three and ten meters wide, with significant blast and fragmentation damage.
The Israeli government declared war on Hamas after the militant group staged a series of brutal terror attacks across southern Israel on October 7, killing at least 1,300 people and injuring over 4,000 others.
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So when will an official apology about this get issued? Never? Yeah, didn’t think so either.
Why would Hamas apologize? This helps them further radicalize Palestinians and their supporters abroad. Remember, Hamas has no issue using Palestinians as meat shields.
Official apology from… a terrorist organisation? What
A whole lot of major new organizations (looking at you, New York Times) ran headlines like “Israel destroys Gaza hospital, killing 500” without doing an ounce of independent fact checking.
Maybe this is asking for too much, but I don’t think the New York Times should be blindly repeating things they hear from a literal terrorist organization (or any government involved, for that matter)
You consider the UN, that denounced Israel as the supposed attacker of this hospital a terrorist organization?
Hamas fuckers probably hit their own hospital just for sympathy points
The rockets are unguided and made from sewer pipe and plant fertilizer. These things probably have a spread of a kilometer and this one was likely malfuncioning. I don’t see a reason to assume they intentionally targeted the hospital. These are long range weapons anyways.
We don’t know the exact truth yet, but this seems to be a video from that night, from a geolocated position :
https://twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714367757968384106
We see a rocket being launched, seemingly missfire and blowing up high in the sky, then two explosions, the second one being near the hospital.
The damages sure don’t look like they are from a detonated military bomb, but rather the result of a weaker explosive.
What why would terrorists do that?? They live only to protect their people and would never put civilians in danger!
Which group of terrorists? Hamas or IDF? Both have a considerable civilian bodycount.
Being better equipped for defense will do that. It doesn’t say anything about the intentions, just that you have more firepower
Comparing the two is so utterly deranged I’m at a loss for words.
Well go ahead and find some of those words, I’m curious to know how they’re different.
Both sides are trying to do an ethnic cleansing. False flag operations don’t make a lot of sense when your people are ‘the chosen ones’.
I personally thought it was Israel because it sounded very much like a US JDAM but surprise surprise, the damage and death toll was extremely exaggerated by outlets which makes me think it actually was a faulty Hamas rocket on the basis it only cooked a few cars and scorched some stuff. The damage is too small to be Israel which is depressing in its own way.
Are you a both-sideser?
Oh, not at all. I support Palestine completely. While Hamas and Israel do similarly deplorable acts, I just hesitate to fully condemn Hamas as it’s clear they’re doing what they are out of desperation. Israel has the power to end the conflict tonight, give food and aid to innocent Palestinians, and return the land they’ve annexed.
But they won’t.
If you want objective takes on politics, Beau of the Fifth Column is hands down the best one to watch on YouTube, he didn’t break this story UNTIL there was concrete evidence because he always wants to get the story right: https://www.youtube.com/c/BeauoftheFifthColumn/videos
I think most reasonable people can admit that given the evidence, this probably wasn’t committed by IDF personnel. It just has all of the calling cards associated with IDF policy against Palestine.
Put your fucking guns away around hospitals. Both of you, or I’m turning this car around.
Dud munitions don’t really care and can fall out of the sky at anytime. Which is one of maaaany reasons that makes war bad.
The reason why Hamas puts weapons near and in hospitals is to get idiots mad when it becomes a target. “Wtf IDF! Why don’t you let yourself be continuously attacked by rockets?” Literally a villain strapping babies on their body so that nobody can do anything to them.
I can’t help thinking “How would this news story look different if Israel and the US were manipulating the media to cover up accidentally blowing up a hospital?” Would it look any different?
Edit: Saw the AP analysis posted after I made this comment. It’s very convincing evidence in favor of the theory that the explosion originated from a failed Hamas rocket.
Because it was on livestream, geolocated instantly, on live anti-isreal al Jazeera feed too, etc. The evidence is overwhelming and only people who have actual brain damage have any doubts here
Would reality look different if there was an invisible, omnipotent deity pulling all the strings in such a way that his influence is impossible to detect?
Don’t burden your mind in unfalsifiable theories.
Government propaganda isn’t unfalsifiable. That being said, the new AP analysis has convinced me Hamas caused the explosion.
