• shatal@lemmy.worldOP
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    They showed much more than that, including equipment, clothes and a motorcycle that are suspected to have been used in the 7/10 atrocities.

    They do say that they are still investigating and going over the evidence, but show and make it clear that they did find weapons and a command post inside the hospital.

    Regarding the planted comment - well, if that’s what you believe then it doesn’t really matter what they show, doesn’t it? You’ve already made up your mind and it doesn’t matter what the evidence show…

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      Sorry, but showing pictures of guns, clothes and a motorcycle is not evidence. I don’t care what the news is about or where it’s from. True or not, this kind of thing needs independent reporting and third-party verification. Period.

      When you see stories like this from any source, question everything. Showing pictures that confirm an existing bias is a powerful tool of manipulation, so please remember that.

      Early in the Ukraine war, Russia was pushing the Nazi misinformation extremely hard. By the time fake news stories were debunked, it was too late. Russians were fully convinced that Ukraine was about to invade and old news getting debunked didn’t matter.

      This story is an example: https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-agents-the-sims-video-game-sting-operation-2022-4

      Lets just say there are quite a few layers to the story I linked, so take it with a grain of salt. _It is just an example.

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        Of course, 100%.

        Copying what I replied to another comment - I’d rather wait for an official report from the UN or an investigative story from an unbiased news outlet like Reuters (to decide whether this is authentic or propaganda).

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          You posted this to a World News community, but would have rather waited for it to be verified? Why post it in the first place if you’re unsure of the credibility?

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        I’m unfamiliar with that, can you share more info? What was the lie and how it was disproven?

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          At 5:35 in the video in OP’s link. People who can read Arabic called them out for what was literally a calendar with days listed. The IDF officer in the video claims it’s a list of signed names from each Hamas member for their shift of guarding the room. But there’s no names on it, it’s just a calendar.

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            it’s just a calendar

            I’m very skeptical of this claim right here.

            I didn’t notice anything specific in the calendar itself, but when I used Google translate, the top of the calendar read:

            “For the Battle of Toukan Al-Akher 10/23/7”

            I’m assuming the date is October 7, 2023 and it’s the result of Google mistranslating from Arabic, but that doesn’t sound like a typical calendar.

            I feel like people are trying to pretend the hostages were held nowhere.

            EDIT: I zoomed in and translated again. I think Toukan was Toufan and this meant “Battle of Al-Aqsa Flood”, obviously in reference to the Al Aqsa mosque and using the terminology that Palestinians use to describe October 7th.

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              The top line says “Battle of Al-Aqsa flood 10/7/23” but if you translate the rest of what’s on that page its just the day of the week and date in each square. The IDF propagandist explicitly claims in the video that it is a guard shift list with people’s names on it which is a blatant lie.

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                Yes, I agree. I noticed the days and saw no names. He seems to be wrong about what it says, but people in this thread seem to be wrong about it just being some random calendar.

                I don’t like to replace wrong information with wrong information.

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                    The day isn’t “marked” like in a calendar cell. It’s the title of the calendar.

                    The days are crossed off with a yellow highlighter until November 3rd. From what I know, it’s unclear why they stopped marking on that day.

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            You’re right, good catch.

            It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part, I assume the IDF has many Arabic speakers.

            It’ll be very interesting to see how everything else in the video will unfold.

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              It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part

              No its not, its purposeful disinformation from a group trying to justify war crimes.

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              Occam’s razor applies here, and so we look for the simplest, most likely explanation (going by past example). And that explanation is Israeli misinformation. They’ve done it before.

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                Are you serious? The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? The person presenting the information doesn’t speak fluent English and most likely doesn’t speak fluent Arabic either.

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                  The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue?

                  Considering that:

                  1-The Israeli government is notorious for using misinformation when it fits their purposes,

                  2-They have fluent Arabic speakers who could’ve easily checked the evidence, and

                  3-There’s no way to mistake a calendar for a list of Hamas soldiers,

                  the answer is yes. It’s like if Russia was caught lying with faked evidence and then said “oh it was a mistake”.

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              I understand what you meant. What I’m saying is that those claims would have to be proven before they can be disproven.