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“Scheming EU states” is a total flame bait headline. The UK is not part of the EU, so why should they be included in any of this? They should be HAPPY about the EU not “meddling” with their “freedom”!
Not only that, but there are also two arrows on this map going into the UK. It’s up to the UK to take care of how well these arrows connect to important locations within their borders. There really doesn’t appear to be an issue whatsoever.
These arrows already exist! The France one is the English tunnel and the Ireland one is there because they need to make Ireland feel like one island. The uk dont have much control over how well they connect to their border. I think the uk would have benefited from this plan as they seem to be having problems with trains
All I hear is that scheming EU is shooting two arrows at the UK.
Not really, though? There are no development plans for the new railways in the UK and furthermore the entirety of the UK is greyed out but all the independent area of Ireland is part of the map.
I think that’s the point, no? It’s unfortunately up to the UK now to do what they will with the transport systems the EU will hook them up with.
Listen, I’m not defending the article written by people who supported Brexit then got mad about how much of a shit deal Brexit is for them, but the point of the above comment is that the maps include arrows connecting to UK Railways, but that’s besides the point because the larger context of the discussion is about how a massive Railway Expansion project completely excludes the UK. It’s completely moot and irrelevant to talk about the existing railways.
Huh? Apologies for being slow but what is your point?
My neighbour redid their driveway, it completely excludes my driveway, obviously. We used to share a driveway mind you and we could have shared the cost of whe work on both our driveway but I got uptight because he let brown people use both our driveways. I told him driveways first, my driveway is losing its identity due to all the brown people and I got the whole neighbourhood to vote against shared driveways.
Pretty fucking cunty of him to only redo his driveway now though innit?
I will go very slowly.
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The rails are connected
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The UK is not part of the plan
There is no point in mentioning that the rails are connected in a discussion about the UK not being part of the plan. It’s just silly. It’s like talking about changes to cars and one person in the conversation starts talking about how the wheels have been the same for 14 years now.
Why are you hung up on the mention of the rails being connected?
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the UK cannot be included, because they aren’t a Schengen-member and the EU doesn’t want customs checks on their train lines…
it’s entirely up to the UK what they do with their rails within their borders.
and as was already pointed out:
there already IS a connection between the EU and the UK!!
the new plans are largely for connections between capitals of EU countries and major population centers, both of which already have rail connections in the UK.
so what do you expect the EU to do about the rail network in the UK?
Yes the rails are connected, but you should not be arguing to me that this means the UK is part of the plan when it very clearly isn’t. You’re arguing on both sides right now, I don’t think you’re in the right state of mind.
the UK cannot be included, because they aren’t a Schengen-member and the EU doesn’t want customs checks on their train lines…
Ireland is also not a member of the Schengen agreement…
Ireland is not connected by rail either, so customs don’t matter as much; you need to change the mode of transportation anyways
the larger context of the discussion is about how a massive Railway Expansion project completely excludes the UK.
Why should EU project include non-EU states?
It shouldn’t, but that’s not what the discussion is about, is it? Somebody made a statement that it IS part of the plan, which is verifiably false.
Somebody made a statement that it IS part of the plan,
Who? Where?
I found the wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-European_Transport_Network#List_of_transport_networks
Apparently initial proposals for this pre-date brexit by 26 years.
This is a Daily Express article. Utter trash, right wing yellow journalism. Rabidly pro-brexit, endorsed Liz Truss for PM. You know, the weird cheese lady who was outlasted by a lettuce.
Obviously brexit isn’t going so well and neither is the latest tory PM, so it’s time for their daily article about how the foreigners done ruined Engerland.
endorsed Liz Truss for PM
Geezus…
Outdone by lettuce
outlasted by a lettuce.
American here. How much is that converted to Mooches?
If that idiotic and corrosive Brexit campaign had been defeated, the headline might be screaming how scheming EU nations drag the UK into their expensive transport plans.
Also the same mindless parrots on their tellys and newspapers would be mindlessly arguing the point, tossing out word salads, exactly as they would with the EU making their plans and keeping the UK out of them.
Meanwhile, non-voters who could have made a difference will be just as idiotic on polling day: “Politics is for wankers/both parties are the same. Shall we go for drinks?”
It’s wild to me how America, UK, and Canada are dealing with these idiotic right wing extremists or fans. It did not go well in the states, is still not going well, but people in other countries are all agreeing that yeah now is the time to be loud, racist, shitholes who make life worse for everyone with their stupidity??? What the fuuuck
Step 1) blame everyone else for everything that’s wrong. Step 2) promise all the good things if only people vote for you. If they are actually gullible enough to do that we come to step 3) grab all the wealth you can and shift it to your cronies, smash anything too heavy to carry off and leave the opposition in a smouldering ruin that you can then again blame and berate the next government for.
And you’d think at the latest when the Brexit happens and totally fucked up logistics, industry and the already ailing healthcare in the UK, the right-wing voters might have realized “Oh wait, maybe the people we’ve been voting for us have been lying and it was rather obvious with how they didn’t want to be associated with the shit they made us vote for after it actually worked out and they won the vote”. Nope. They’re proud of it. All the mean mean evil EU now being mean to lil’ ol’ England out of pure spite. Aye.
(to be fair we already did that a long time ago when we banished them to a damp, sad and depressing island in the north sea)
I heard on the radio this morning the government singing their own praises after reintroducing pint size bottles of wine. A “Brexit benefit”. This is after 99% of those surveyed said they wanted metric sizes. 99%!
pint size bottles of wine
Who is that wine for? Ants?
Old people who for some reason cannot let go of a system of measures that needs to DIE
The right wing voters won’t be happy until everything burns down so they can institute their shitty boring ass cishet white only vision of society.
All of Europe, and a bunch of other places, are swinging to the right. It’s not an Anglosphere thing, you just read english-speaking news more.
Funny enough, the UK is in the process of swinging back leftwards again at the moment. Roll on the 2024 general election.
The Netherlands just voted in our own right-wing extremist, Geert Wilders. 😭
You know how the right-wing nutjobs have been frothing about a “new world order” conspiracy theory for a long time now? You know, the one about a secretive multinational cabal plotting to take over the entire world?
Yeah… it turns out even that was projection, too.
I’d welcome the EU meddling in my freedom; certainly would be better than the Tories
It’s the Daily Express, an offshoot of the Daily Mail. They both have ridiculously anti EU slants and have had those for decades
Every since the thought occurred to me I can’t stop thinking about it. There is just this entire class of people out there who do no real work, are paid money to tell us how they should be running things, and whose only plan in running things is to take something that works and break it.
The UK doesn’t need to be part of this really, there’s one link to mainland Europe (the channel tunnel) and the rest should just be sensible UK road and rail network planning. NI and Ireland already have ways to cooperate when it comes to planning transport on the Ireland of Island.
I say “in theory” because our government just scrapped HS2 phase 2, so our rail network is going to continue to be shit for years.
on the Ireland of Island
Love this at what looks like 11pm on the day that’s in it as I write at 4am.
Love you, neighbour. Sorry about the HS2 bullshit. Shambles tbh.
Lol my bad. I’m going to leave it like that for everyone to enjoy!
Oh 100%!
sensible UK road and rail network planning
How many decades has it been since THAT last happened, though?
I say “in theory” because our government just scrapped HS2 phase 2, so our rail network is going to continue to be shit for years.
Oh. Same page, it would seem 😁
Those scheming betrayers also left Australia out of the transport plan for EU members.
How much lead paint do you need to eat to see the loaded language in these headlines and think “yeah - seems legit.”
FORGET Australia 🦘… They left out the Greatest Country in the Galaxy/Universe ; 'Merica!!!
Even left it out in the comments section… Unbelievable
SMH 😒🙄
That’s Switzerland. (not a member of the EU)
Imagine speaking with such authority whilst simultaneously lacking such a basic understanding of Europe.
Which 70 cretins upvoted this arse water?
So the EU isn’t allowed to cooperate with a country (that’s at least part of the single market and contiguous continent), because they saw no value in including Britain, and that was a scheming betrayal?
What point are you failing to make here?
I don’t think that they’re refusing to cooperate. I think they’re looking after their own members and why wouldn’t they? Are you suggesting that they give the same benefits to member states as non-member states? If so, why wouldn’t everyone leave?
Are you going to adress that you don’t know the difference between Austria and Switzerland or am I just getting suckered in to feeding the troll? Coz if you’re trolling then you’re actually very funny but I’m probably too autistic to tell.
It said ‘Australia’, not ‘Austria’. You know, ‘Australia’…the one in Oceania. Probably highlighting the ridiculousness of a country so removed from the continet feeling slighted for not being included in plans for the EU.
You suckered yourself into looking like an arse.
Oh. Oops! Haha
Which 4 cretins upvoted this?
I guess some people like it when they see someone admit a mistake.
The horse is already dead.
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I’m pretty sure they also left Australia out.
This is from the Daily Express, which is a paper that’s full of these sort of ragebait, horseshit headlines.
Notably it was the first major paper to back Brexit. They should be delighted about this. Fucking mould-ridden wankstains.
If they identified themselves by hating anti-EU pieces, I imagine it’s hard do stop.
Ragebait for tories, perhaps. I find it delicious
I honestly thought it was sarcasm.
Ohh no how can they not include me in their plan after i burn the bridges with them
Oh no, the consequences of my own actions!
Why won’t the EU help me fix all these burnt bridges?
'Merica ; " why won’t EU take care of our homeless population and adopt them / refugee them to EU? I mean… We gave them like military bases n guns n shit… come on !
Dude, who cares about Australia n Britain being left out?.. They left my mighty 'Merica out of the picture! 😔🖼️ SMH
Wasn’t the UK govt also complaining about their tax money going into funding EU projects like this?
No one said they didn’t want these kind of projects. They just didn’t want to have to pay for them.
I lived in Britain during the Leave campaign and it was all about getting the benefits without the responsabilities or costs.
In fact, the sequence of political events that lead to the Leave Referendum was Britain in the EU trying to have less and less obligations whilst keeping the benefits of Membership to the point that eventually, when the UK demanded “otherwise we have a Referedum on Leave” to not to have to abide by Freedom Of Movement into their country whilst keeping all the rest including Freedom Of Movement for Britons into other EU countries, the rest of the EU said “No!”. After this, David Cammeron was under huge pressure to do the Referendum “to show the EU” and the rest is History.
The La-La-Land fantasism of the Leave side was always unbelievable, with everything from genuine expections of, post leave, having “Same Rights as Members With No Obligations”, to after Brexit “Other EU Nations will Follow Us Out”.
I would say that by this point it’s clear that whatever Britain is “showing the EU” isn’t quite what was in Leaver fantasies.
I’m definitely just a dumb American but I love how apparently “What is Brexit” was the biggest UK web search the day it got approved.
To be fair that is because it was sold to the public on outright lies and the readings of a couple of unscrupulous twats.
Johnson for example had always been pro-eu and reportedly had two articles written, one remain and one leave, and based his decision of which one to publish on which was more politically expedient for him, not on what he actually thought was better for the country.
Now departing Fuck Around; next stop, Find Out!
Especially true since the article comes from a paper that backed Brexit.
Scheming EU to make an EU travel plan for countries that didnt voluntarily leave the EU to pursue some racist bullshit propaganda that even the people who started brexit, deep down, didnt want, and never thought would actually happen.
It’s always weird to read stuff from the UK to do with brexit. That paper is clearly some right wing rag and the reality is that we are connected via the channel tunnel and all that this is doing is leaving us off the maps and probably the reasoble prices.
But people like to rile it up like we are missing out on some grand EU mega plan that is going to save the world. The EU has plenty of problems and is not some sort of nirvana. Would I rather be in the EU? Yes it is better to be part of something. However it is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and to be honest day to day it makes little difference to me. People in the UK are not crying into their union jack hankies, we have bigger problems like a completely corrupt and incompetent ruling class.
A “completely corrupt and incompetent ruling class” who have much more power now, after lying to the public and getting Brexit voted in.
Why is it better to be part of something? I hear people say that all the time like it should be obvious, but the concept repulses me.
Every time I hear about Brexit I’m reminded how 17 million people directly fucked up my ability to be part of something just to spite themselves. If you don’t want to be part of something then just take yourself and leave, don’t drag everyone else out too.
If 17 million people don’t wanna be part of something, go be part of it yourself. Don’t drag everyone else in too.
You played yourself.
“repulses”? That’s some mighty strong feelings you have there
Because anti-globalism is the most widely held opinion on earth. You can find people supporting it in every country and they use the power of infrastructure built up by countries working together to spread their message. It is like some weird variant on the paradox of tolerance. A nationalist can only recirculate their unoriginal ideas because internationalism existed for so long.
A bad peace is better than a good war.
Then why are you commenting by being a part of the largest network on earth?
Practical outcome in the case of the EU?
- Relaxed borders / Easy International Travel
- Easy to go work in another country
- Same currency (for most of it)
Probably more but that’s what I can think of right now.
EUxit? Didn’t the EU exit from the UK a couple years ago?
Nah… That was Russia
Other way around
Woooooshh
Nope, it was EU sponsored campaign to remove UK. For obvious reasons
Edit: not sure if I’m getting downvoted for a lame joke, someone taking it seriously or just brits
I just assumed you were being serious, for obvious reasons. But as a Brit I find it funny
New maps for Ticket to Ride just dropped
I would unironically buy this if they really just dropped the lines from UK so it just appears on the board as a blank spot lmao
Technically you would still be buying it out of irony but I get your meaning
The Trans-European Transport Project has been ongoing since the '90s.
And since I was curious, here are the new guidelines adopted last week. Nothing revolutionary but an evolution in the right direction. I do find it personally interesting that the TEN-T apparently did not previously formally take into account military mobility…
TETP is just a nefarious scheme to dictate glorious typography to member states. Seriously that thing is good: Ridiculously legible and specifically so in “big font at long distances” situations, meanwhile both friendly and authoritative – exactly the kind of thing you want when asking for the way. No “yeah let me think where was that intersection” or “can’t you find your own way” but “Of course! Go straight ahead, first to the left, then the second right”.
Now if the EU would get around to telling member states that they should learn from each other in overall traffic and urban design, and follow the best practices that they can find anywhere. Which is diplomatic language for “Do as the Dutch do”.
What’s truly bullshit about this map is Hungary. To get anywhere, you have to go through Budapest and it’s been like this since the last 150 years, when it comes to rail. Even though it has at least seven metropolitan areas outside of Pest county with population above 100k… NOPE! You have to go through two of the three major railway stations of Budapest.
What’s worse is say you are a local to Hungary and you live east of the Danube. You want to visit Lake Balaton in the west. You have to take the train to Budapest. You then transfer by Metró to the other railway station. And then take another train to the lake. Three fares and two transfers, which might be fine as an individual but adds up in costs and stress if you are with family or have accessibility needs. And by accessibility needs I’m just talking about being elderly (who mostly travel free or at a very reduced rate) or a stroller.
Why is it set up that way?
Everybody in Europe needs to go to spas in Budapest. It’s medicinal. And required.
Our capitol was always overprioritiezed because of some kind of elitism.
I can only guess the reasons but I experienced this frustration when I needed to go from the very north to the very east of the country and still had to go through Budapest.
France is no different, going anywhere by TGV ? You’d best like going via Paris
Pfft, they’re lucky the French don’t bomb their end of the chunnel.
Knowing the french they are just waiting for the UK to look at them wrong so they can do that. After a few weeks of rioting of course.
Of course. The je ne sais quoi is rioting, always. As is the avec.
I imagine sad, regretful brits dining/vacationing are a boon to the economy.
Are those tunnels to ireland?
Under the water?
Are people not sketched out by that? That sounds terrifying
The dotted lines are ferry routes.
I don’t see any dots motherf- zooms in …oh.
Maybe with your name you should avoid the water entirely? Didn’t end so well last time…
Good god thats so much better
Ferries are pretty nice, we recently used them for a NL -> EN -> WA -> IE -> SCO -> NL trip and they were nice. Some of them had plenty of entertainment and felt quite nice, others a bit more run down but still fine. The best was taking the overnight ones, you sleep on board and disembark fresh and ready to go in the morning at your destination and costs less than having a separate hotel night.
The floating tunnels weren’t working out so well
They’re long range heavy impulse air routes using catapults…
Bridges, with a mid ocean interchange
The trains can fly… only to literally crash at the destination’s train station. Somehow, everyone miraculously survives every single time.
That actually sounded way more terrorist than I wanted it to.
Are You?
Nah, everyone must live.
Look at the one to Cyprus
Are you spooked by La Manche tunnel? It exists.
“Daylight 2: Erin Go Bragh”
I see two arrows leading into the UK. One across the channel and the other into NI, FFS.
Don’t like those arrows pointing at the UK, feels a bit Dad’s Army.
Two too many, if you ask me. They wanted out, happy they are out. Maybe help Scotland separate and join the EU again, but that’s where it ends.
Why not liberate northern Ireland and reunite it with the rest
Because some of the people there really wouldn’t like that.
It’s complicated 😞…
I think the bottom one, at least, already exists and is the channel tunnel the Eurostar uses
