• db2@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Nah, fuck both. I’m not going to cheer for the lesser evil in a crowd.

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        10 months ago

        Loving the upvotes on this Lemmy World, let’s make sure we apply it to political discussions as well!

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      Instance owners would have way, way fewer resources and almost definitely need to just capitulate. Assuming they even had the info to share, though.

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      I believe the rules wouldn’t apply. Usually when a company is asked to provide data and they refuse they are forced to shut down. But since Lemmy is decentralized, I believe if the cops were to ask someone to provide the IP of a user, they can just say no and shut down the server at least temporarily, and then possibly bring it back up under a new domain and ip.

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        IANAL but withholding evidence from a court order can hold you in contempt of court. I remember hearing a story of a person who was accused of having CSAM on an encrypted hard drive, and refused to decrypt it, and is in jail until he decrypts it. Just because you’re a person doesn’t mean you can ignore a warrant.

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          information itself is a liability. best to have a policy of ‘we keep no IPs in logs, so are happy to hand over whatever’… dump data the moment you dont require it

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            yeah, this sounds like a much more sustainable solution. Do it the way signal does it. Collect as little as necessary, and delete it as soon as you dont need it.

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            Just store what logs you need on a ram drive. The logs will be gone the instant the server shuts down and there is no way to recover them.

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              10 months ago

              Downsides include : if any intrusion happens on the server, red team just needs to reboot it to wipe evidence.

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                If they have the root access typically needed to reboot a server1 they could also just wipe the logs without rebooting.

                1: GUIs typically have a way to reboot without such privileges, but those are typically not installed on machines just used as servers.

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          I looked into that guy somewhat recently, he was in jail for something like five years then eventually released. Kind of a sickening situation all around.

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        With the federation does that also mean that the ip records are replicated? Because that would be a lot of parties that can be threatened, with only one required to give in…

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      Don’t browse lemmy with your naked IP. This isn’t the 90s. When using the Internet, wear a condom.

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        As long you don’t do the “known illegal” stuff you don’t need a VPN.

        However if you upload copyrighted material a vpn is one of very many steps to ensure that the police won’t get you. A VPN alone does not provide any security. It delays at best the police

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        Ah yes, give your browsing history to the shady VPN company instead.

        Although that would help in this situation.

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            A VPN either:

            1. Logs access/usage so it can be given to authorities. (And/or sold/stolen etc)

            2. doesn’t log usage data and willingly accepts that some disgusting stuff will be done using their service.

            1 might have to give browsing data if sued by a media company, 2 is ethnically bankrupt and shouldn’t be trusted at all.

            Doesn’t mean their not useful, just be aware of who you are giving your money to and the limitations of their protection.

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          At most you will get some targeted ads (if you use “free” ones), compared to fines and jail, I say it’s a good trade-off.

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    surely it costs more to fight this dogshit legal battle, both in money and PR, than to simply let enthusiasts watch your films. they’re already handsomely profiting, why do these fucking pigheaded hogs think it is their right, it is their duty to wring out every cent they can? fuck off.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.net
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    Man even in the 90’s nobody was scared of having their IP address known because there’s not a helluva lot you can do with one anyway, and the average regular person is using a dynamic one that resolves to a local CO and not usually their actual home address.

    It was quite normal to scare the normies by having a forum signature that displayed the IP address of the machine loading the page because something that basic was enough to make them think you were a hacking wizard.

    Those who were especially paranoid, used proxies (maybe VPNs but I never even heard that term until NordVPN started advertising all over the place).

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    Just like having something to protect yourself if you go to a sketchy area, make sure you only visit Reddit from behind a VPN.

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      I don’t know if it was VPN or using uBo but the last time I tried viewing content on my Linux setup all I saw was the whoa there pardner page.