• can@sh.itjust.works
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      10 months ago

      It very clearly does. If they can’t get all their contacts on other chat apps because they’re on iPhones then how could you possibly say it has nothing to do with iPhones?

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        10 months ago

        What does a contact list have to do with a phone? Does the iPhone lock you out of even proper contact management?

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              10 months ago

              Only iPhones can use iMessage. iMessage uses a data connection rather than SMS or calling. OP lives in a different country and international SMS or calling would cost a lot of money, but a data connection does not. The only way of communicating with certain people without incurring extra charges is for OP to use iMessage over a data connection.

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        10 months ago

        But imessenger works over the internet. It’s not an SMS service so the carrier has nothing to do with it. im in tons of groupchats with imessenger recipients. never had a problem except with apple purposefully downgrading all media. my phone has wifi calling so I can receive my sms messages anywhere I can get service.

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          10 months ago

          Their point was they don’t want to deal with the carrier so they want to message over data. However the people the wish to contact don’t have chat apps so they use iMessage. Yes obviously they should just download another app but you can’t force someone to do that.

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            10 months ago

            That’s a carrier feature. I can message anyone anywhere with anything I want. Has nothing to do with iPhone. I just group texted all my iphone friends from Firefox on my PC.

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              10 months ago

              Alright, so let’s say I have an iPhone and my friend also does if I’m away from cell service but have data and try to send them an SMS it will go through as an iMessage in the same app they use to text. So I can still message them in the same app they’re using for SMS and iMessage with everyone else.

              So there’s already a built in messaging app pretty much. I think part of the confusion is group texts. I don’t think they’re actually talking about group chats but rather one on one with various people who already have iPhones. It’s easier to just send them a message that way. Yes this isn’t a good state of affairs.

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                10 months ago

                Your first paragraph is not relevant to the phone but the service. That’s the whole point I’m trying to make. It’s called wi-fi calling and is a service feature not a phone feature. Apple makes it easier but I can still message anyone without a phone just fine.

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                  10 months ago

                  The problem comes when it costs you money to send an SMS or make a voice call to the person with iMessage but data has no extra monetary cost, for example when you’re in a different country.

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                  10 months ago

                  It’s entirely relevant if the people you want to contact don’t have any other chat apps. The whole point is the inability to get others to do something slight less easy.