This is about the most recent version of LibreOffice on Windows 10. I can’t speak for other versions.

My daughter worked hard on her social studies essay. I type things in for her because she’s a really bad typist, but she tells me what to write… but I didn’t remember to manually save her social studies essay yesterday, and for some reason the ThinkPad rebooted, LibreOffice crashed and we lost the whole thing… because autosave was not automatically on when I installed it.

No, recovery didn’t work. We just got a blank file.

I rewrote it for her based on the information we had and what I remembered and tried to make it sound like what a 13-year-old would write because it was basically my fault and she did do the work. I did have her sit with me as I wrote it in case she didn’t like something I wrote, but it was sort of cheating. I’m okay with that cheating since I know she worked hard on it.

First, though, I went into the settings and turned on autosave.

I like LibreOffice, but why the hell is that not on automatically? Honestly, I don’t really understand why someone wouldn’t want their documents autosaved, but I’m pretty sure most people would want that.

This isn’t fucking 1993. I shouldn’t have to remember to save a document anymore and it shouldn’t be lost forever because of it.

Like I said, I like LibreOffice. I don’t really want to trust documents to Microsoft or Google. But this was really annoying.

  • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
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    10 months ago

    Us older folks automatically hit save every few minutes. But not saving days worth of work is asking for trouble.

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      I’m feeling old right now, thx

      I even impulsively hit Ctrl+S when writing comments on Lemmy once in a while

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      10 months ago

      I was going to say, it was absolutely drilled into our heads to save after every paragraph.
      My high school teacher would occasionally flip the breaker for the computers in the school computer lab just to give those of us with bad saving habits a hard reminder.

    • ℛ𝒶𝓋ℯ𝓃@pawb.social
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      10 months ago

      Young folk who have lost hours of progress in robotics programming projects too… Once is enough to learn your lesson. The inevitable second time is traumatizing. By the third time, you hit Ctrl+s five times after every paragraph.

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        I don’t think OP’s kid is gonna learn the lesson here. Sounds like Dad was handling the typing for her, and then when things screw up he’s blaming others for it. Not a good environment for a kid to learn in.

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          10 months ago

          That was my sense too. OP isn’t letting his kid learn the hard lessons for themselves.

          Also what kind of an excuse is it to say she sucks at typing? With practice she will improve, so let her do her own homework

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      10 months ago

      I still do this regularly while using Google docs even though I don’t think it has any effect.

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      10 months ago

      I am an older folk. I grew up with an Apple II. I just have gotten used to autosave being on automatically in pretty much every word processor I’ve used since probably the mid-1990s. I just can’t imagine why they decided to not have it on when you install it.

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        I think your memory might be failing on this, because we’re about the same age and autosave wasn’t really a common feature in the 90s. MacOS didn’t introduce autosave until OSX Lion in 2010, and Microsoft’s auto-recover (which was their only feature even close to autosave until office365) wasn’t introduced until the 2000s and didn’t work properly until 2007.

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        Never assume something works until you’ve verified it. And even then assume it’ll break some time

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          I mean, yes, but also it’s a fair assumption to make that autosave would either be on or the fact that it was off would be communicated.

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        What word processors? Even Microsoft office doesn’t have autosave on by default unless you’re working off of One Drive/Share Point online.

        Why would you switch to different software and assume it works the same as another?

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          Yep, my thoughts exactly… my company doesn’t want us to use OneDrive because of some security fears, so none of our work has autosave. Just because it’s 2024 doesn’t mean everything has autosave. Even working in a browser doesn’t always have autosave, I use some online programs daily that you have to remember to Ctrl + S.

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        Agreed. It’s standard practice now. At the very least LibreOffice should ask you on document creation if you want it on.

        There’s no reason to create the extra work of the past unless you are specifically making a nostalgia product.

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        I just can’t imagine why they decided to not have it on when you install it.

        Different generational audiences expect different UX about their software, as this topic has aptly shown.

        I’m sure there’s a bunch of people who would be pissed off at the fact that they only want to control when a save happens (by default), and not the app.

        Personally I would expect it to be on automatically (normal modern UX), but also after I’ve written big blocks of very important text I’d do a manual save, as I don’t know where in the interval cycle between automatic saves I would be at (when’s the next autosave happening). Best of both worlds, basically.

        Finally, only because I’m talking to you right now, as far as you and your child goes, only you as their parent knows what’s best for them.

        Take heart that if you’re trying, you’re already halfway there, as many parents don’t even bother.

        And don’t take the negative downloading you’re getting on this topic as a criticism of your parenting skills, aholes on the Internet trying to keep the world exactly how they expect it to be from way back when, and are so hung up on responsibility to a fault, are not the best sources for knowledge on how well or poorly you’re doing as a parent.

        I am an older folk. I grew up with an Apple II.

        I as well. Still have fun memories of loading Choplifter into my Apple via a cassette tape recorder.

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        the only time i ever lost a paper/document (at 13, for social studies), was on an apple IIc. then i rewrote it. i cried A LOT.

        it has never happened since, and writing is a significant part of my job. i learned the hard way.

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      And “save as” every few times (or every time if the document is important).

      I lost a lot of work hours once because I was using a program that saved a backup copy every time you saved (so that you’d always be able to recover the previous version), and the damn thing crashed while saving, thus corrupting both the save file and the backup. Never. Again. Hard drive space is less expensive than my time and what’s left of my mental health.

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        I worked as a kitchen designer and for each customer’s meeting I’d made a new file with everything the same except the date in the filename. So worst case I’d lose a day’s work.

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      I’m barely an adult and I do this. I think it’s less your age, and more the type of programs you tend to use—ei. programs where you may not want things auto saved, for me game engine, but there’s plenty of examples.