• qevlarr@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    As long as you realize oppression will only make it harder, not easier, to counter a crisis of human selfishness.

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      9 months ago

      I’m not sure I’m communicating my opinion well. The oppression that is coming is unavoidable.

      1. A transition to socialism will destabilize the economy causing widespread suffering.
      1. A transition to fascism will persecute groups and depress the economy, causing suffering.
      1. Keeping the status quo will eventually force the economy to recede due to the destabilizing effects of climate change. Global suffering.
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        9 months ago

        Suffering can be alleviated but not eliminated. I talk about oppression, which is domination of one group over another, with violence. This happens in fascism but historically also with (ML) communism. I’m saying that using the power of the state to FORCE people to change their ways, will be counterproductive. I’m on board with degrowth, but something positive must replace the consumerism.

        The miscommunication is your misunderstanding of the word oppression in relation to ML. I’m talking about a specific problem with the ML “solution” to climate change. I don’t have all the answers, but I know ML only makes things worse for everyone.

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          9 months ago

          I would rather live under a Marxist-Leninist government with a planned economy that gives us a chance to mitigate climate catastrophe. The current capitalist governments aren’t even bothered by climate change. You’ve invented a boogeyman in Marxist-Leninism so that you don’t have to confront the current crisis of capitalism. When the world crumbles with overconsumption from capitalism, will your last words be, “At least we didn’t try the disastrous Marxist-Leninism?”

          It’s about harm reduction and the lesser- evil. 👿 Capitalism is the greater harm to the planet. Socialism/Anarchism/Marxist-Leninism involve planned economies that can help us transition to more sustainable energy systems. It’s pragmatism.

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              9 months ago

              They’re all anti-capitalist, which is what is needed for the future. We can sort out the details when we get to that point.