Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
Classic Lemmy mass downvoting everything that does not sit with their ideology without ever looking at the actual situation.
You are absolutely correct in that it would take at least a decade if not longer to build reliable public transit in all of America, ESPECIALLY in the suburbs to the point where you wouldn’t need a car. And to keep it real with you, I don’t see it happening for even another century. And that’s just one of the issues that’s leading to climate change. Much bigger problems like the top 1% owning 1000 cars and 20 private jets that nobody ever talks about. Always blame the average citizen rather than the ruling class, always tell the average citizen to be better than telling the ruling class to be better. Yea no major change will happen for at least another century. I know I will get downvoted cause this is Lemmy where people downvote anytuing that doesn’t sit with their idealistic non realistic opinions (that I tend to agree with but they are just not realistic for many reasons) but I couldn’t care less
What do you mean you can’t come up with a transportation solution to transport millions of people around at any given moment that’s more convenient than them being able to travel to their destinations on their own without a long schedule?
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
Because that is what the quoted argument boils down to. Apathy because it can’t be done instantly. No alternative solutions, just giving up.
Good lord you’re a crybaby. I say something is an objectively big task to do and you instantly start stamping your feet that I didn’t first preface how good and noble of a goal it was enough beforehand so I must have evil intentions.
Do I need to make every statement starting with “I absolutely support building transportation and our local unions, however, it may be a large task. But! By overthrowing the ruling class and working together we can get it done!” For you to not be offended? Get a grip dude.
Unfortunately I want to say public transit sucks everywhere in America besides maybe NYC and some of the other densely built East Coast cities. I commute throughout Los Angeles (second biggest city in the US by population) and use the public transit there sometimes because I don’t have a choice (check my last post if you don’t believe me) and it feels like you are being punished for taking public transit. I don’t want to say that it is filled with homeless and is unsafe because I have personally never had that bad of an experience (although that is an issue that does need to be addressed if everyone especially younger women were to ride public transit), but the most frustrating part about riding public transit here is the abysmal planning of the layout. Every single public transit (specifically subway) map in the US goes through the downtown of the city with no other way around it. If you know anything abouy Los Angeles neighborhoods, you would know that there is no way to get from Westwood or Santa Monica to Hollywood without going through downtown, no way to go from Long Beach to Inglewood without going through downtown, and this leads to incredibly inefficient and time consuming transportation that just is not feasible for someone who doesn’t have time to spend 2 hours commuting back n forth each way everyday times a week. A ride that would be 30 minutes with car can take well over an hour with public transit here. So I’m not sure where the massive hate train towards cars on Lemmy comes from (maybe most are from Europe where public transit is actually good) but even in a majority of the big cities in the US it is practically unusable unless you have unlimited time to spare.
Edit: to continue on, the abysmal planning of these public transit systems in America are to be blamed on the lawmakers and the ruling class of the city, county, and also business owners who lobby public transit routes through their buildings, not the average citizen who bought a Tesla instead of using the shit public transit system.
Edit again: y’all are hilarious, downvoting me for literally describing the situation (I never even said anything of opinion) buncha butthurt degenerate tankies just mass downvoting everything
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit.
I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable.
The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.
Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
Classic Lemmy mass downvoting everything that does not sit with their ideology without ever looking at the actual situation.
You are absolutely correct in that it would take at least a decade if not longer to build reliable public transit in all of America, ESPECIALLY in the suburbs to the point where you wouldn’t need a car. And to keep it real with you, I don’t see it happening for even another century. And that’s just one of the issues that’s leading to climate change. Much bigger problems like the top 1% owning 1000 cars and 20 private jets that nobody ever talks about. Always blame the average citizen rather than the ruling class, always tell the average citizen to be better than telling the ruling class to be better. Yea no major change will happen for at least another century. I know I will get downvoted cause this is Lemmy where people downvote anytuing that doesn’t sit with their idealistic non realistic opinions (that I tend to agree with but they are just not realistic for many reasons) but I couldn’t care less
What do you mean you can’t come up with a transportation solution to transport millions of people around at any given moment that’s more convenient than them being able to travel to their destinations on their own without a long schedule?
In case I need it, /s.
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
“It can’t be done instantly overnight so why even bother trying to do it slowly?”
🙄
Why do people such as yourself read such a long comment, only to try to squeeze something out to disagree with?
I never said that. I never said anything of the sort. What drives you to do such a thing?
Because that is what the quoted argument boils down to. Apathy because it can’t be done instantly. No alternative solutions, just giving up.
Good lord you’re a crybaby. I say something is an objectively big task to do and you instantly start stamping your feet that I didn’t first preface how good and noble of a goal it was enough beforehand so I must have evil intentions.
Do I need to make every statement starting with “I absolutely support building transportation and our local unions, however, it may be a large task. But! By overthrowing the ruling class and working together we can get it done!” For you to not be offended? Get a grip dude.
Unfortunately I want to say public transit sucks everywhere in America besides maybe NYC and some of the other densely built East Coast cities. I commute throughout Los Angeles (second biggest city in the US by population) and use the public transit there sometimes because I don’t have a choice (check my last post if you don’t believe me) and it feels like you are being punished for taking public transit. I don’t want to say that it is filled with homeless and is unsafe because I have personally never had that bad of an experience (although that is an issue that does need to be addressed if everyone especially younger women were to ride public transit), but the most frustrating part about riding public transit here is the abysmal planning of the layout. Every single public transit (specifically subway) map in the US goes through the downtown of the city with no other way around it. If you know anything abouy Los Angeles neighborhoods, you would know that there is no way to get from Westwood or Santa Monica to Hollywood without going through downtown, no way to go from Long Beach to Inglewood without going through downtown, and this leads to incredibly inefficient and time consuming transportation that just is not feasible for someone who doesn’t have time to spend 2 hours commuting back n forth each way everyday times a week. A ride that would be 30 minutes with car can take well over an hour with public transit here. So I’m not sure where the massive hate train towards cars on Lemmy comes from (maybe most are from Europe where public transit is actually good) but even in a majority of the big cities in the US it is practically unusable unless you have unlimited time to spare.
Edit: to continue on, the abysmal planning of these public transit systems in America are to be blamed on the lawmakers and the ruling class of the city, county, and also business owners who lobby public transit routes through their buildings, not the average citizen who bought a Tesla instead of using the shit public transit system.
Edit again: y’all are hilarious, downvoting me for literally describing the situation (I never even said anything of opinion) buncha butthurt degenerate tankies just mass downvoting everything
Chicago was pretty good. I could do most things using the L. I don’t do buses. Not my type of crowd
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit. I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable. The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.