• NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
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    Literally yes. The state of anti-Semitism in the middle east is a direct cause result of Israeli Apartheid.

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        8 months ago

        Uh yes? Iran is oppressive as fuck, but yeah they’re not an Apartheid state, and hell even if they were. At least Iranian women get citizenship and the right to a fair-ish trial.

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          Bro gtfo, kurds have suffered under Iranian regime for more than a century, israel palestine conflict doesn’t even come close.

          Yeah you get the fair trail as long as your aren’t kurd.

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            israel palestine conflict doesn’t even come close

            Man we have a genocide going on in Gaza.

            Admittedly I don’t know much about the state of Kurds in Iran, but again we have a literal genocide in Gaza. What little I have read doesn’t mention anything that intense in Iran.

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              I’m not denying the ongoing genocide, but acting like Iran is some kind of good faith actor in the region is total bullshit.

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            8 months ago

            no its not close. fuck Iran’s givernment generally, not the good guys, but killing Nazis is always good. everyone gets points for that even if they otherwise suck.

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      8 months ago

      You think hatred of Jews among Muslims started after the creation of Israel?

      That is ahistorical nonsense, and you know it.

      Do you wish to try again?

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        You think hatred of Jews among Muslims started after the creation of Israel?

        Not after the creation of Israel, after Zionists started trying to take Palestine in 1917.

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          Conveniently ignoring about a thousand years of history there, little buddy.

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          Conveniently ignoring about a thousand years of history there, little buddy.

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              There were 300,000 Jews there when tbs Mamluks took power and 5,000 when the Ottomans took power.

              What happened? Did the Jews disappear?

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                You can literally look up what happened on Wikipedia, but the short of it is Mongol invasions and Mamluk misrule. I mean two thirds of the population left, that shit got everyone (though it admittedly got Jews and Christians more). Then it was victim to more Ottoman misrule. Not saying these are good things, but speaking as a Muslim Middle Eastern guy the scathing hatred for Jews in the modern Middle East is unlike anything from before the 20th century, and the stereotypes you’ll usually see (mainly the deceptive Jew that can’t be trusted to hold a promise and Jews controlling the world) are direct results of Zionist actions.

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                Where do you get the 300,000 figure?

                A quick read through Wikipedia showed significantly lower number.

                Prior to the Muslim conquest of Palestine (635–640), Palaestina Prima had a population of 700,000, of which around 100,000 were Jews and 30-80,000 were Samaritans,[67] with the remainder being Chalcedonian and Miaphysite Christians.[5][68][69]

                The pace of conversion to Islam among the Christian, Jewish, and Samaritan communities in Palestine varied during the early period (638–1098),[70] and opinions vary regarding the extent of Islamization during the early Islamic period.[71] While some argue Palestine was already majority Muslim by the time of arrival of the First Crusade, others contend that Christians were still in the majority and the process of mass adoption of Islam took place only from the 13th century onwards, during the Mamluk period.[71]

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                  I got my number from the same article, under the Mamluk portion.

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                Are we totally going to ignore the fact that the Mamluks and other Turks were foreigners who only had Islam to try to bond with the region they were taking over. It’s not like it was Levantine Jews vs Levantine Muslims.

                It’s a lot like how the US helps Israel because it has the same western values despite religion.