It’s the same whenever he gets shown up.

“I’ll save those schoolboys with my robot submarine!”

*submarine won’t fit in cave*

*schoolboys are rescued by a diver*

“Pedo guy…”

I’m sure he can be forgiven for not knowing the name of a scientist whose work his employees build upon

The fact that he didn’t believe them when they claimed to be a scientist though

Ttereal tellers is ttattElonkows nothing about AI. Anyone involved in the field knows all of the big names because we read their papers, listen to their lectures, and talk about their models. He then goes on to be dismissive of work he’s not even close to understanding. It’s blatant ignorance, and Elon is used to just being able to power through his ignorance by either BSing his way past people who know no more than him or firing anyone who is actually qualified and as a result disagrees with him.

I don’t think he deserves that much credit

That gives him too much credit.

He’s a dumbass. There’s actually no rhyme or reason why he chose that specific number.

He isn’t that smart.

My theory is that as people get more success in life, they tend to get “busier”. They have families, careers, hobbies they’ve invested time in, money to take travel vacations, etc. They just do more “stuff”. This results in less time and interest towards getting into arguments with randos on the internet.

The internet is extremely accessible and economically inexpensive though, so almost everyone can get on here if they want, regardless of any personal degree of any sort of life proficiencies.

Together, these factors result in it being the mass of humanity with some of the cream skimmed off. So that’s what we tend to see around us, the internet is the skim milk of humanity. Then to avoid all the watery garbage so prevalent everywhere, we further clump into more segmented communities where we can find more like-minded people to associate with, simply because that’s more enjoyable.

This is one of the reasons I think it’s important to actually put effort into interacting on here, to try to help prevent it from worsening before we can address some of the underlying technical problems it has introduced into our societies.

It was true before the internet too, there was just less opportunities to witness it because you didn’t interact with thousands of strangers at once.

Maybe it’s that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others, maybe we have created a social group that just assumes they are more educated than everyone else cause they read some stuff in the internet.

i’ve always thought the decline of capitalism, or even just the accumulation of its downturns, had the consequence of people trusting authorities less than they used to, and that scientists just get thrown in the same bag (“people who mess with this convoluted stuff as if they know what they’re doing and just keep making my life worse”)

Maybe it’s that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others,

We’ve made a vast social space where people can get validation and acceptance as easily as they can choose to be challenged and face threats to their own sense of self importance and their egos, and this isn’t to sound disparaging, we ALL have sensitive egos and all feel a resistance to facing challenges, so what will we all choose over and over? It’s natural that we seek the path of least resistance that also boosts our positive feelings about ourselves.

We’re not a rational or reasonable species, we use rational and reason to explain our emotions but those explanations are rarely accurate or based in reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF98ii6r_gU pretty sure this is the one [from the series] your post made me think of… My take away as relevant here is that it’s not overcomplicated: If your a marginalized person and you know your rights, all the facts and appeals reason will be dismissed by those who buy into the fear-based moral panic propaganda about you, solely on your intrinsic traits.

That’s not a two-way street.

Choosing not to engage with such people does not put me in an information silo in the same way that the population influenced by right-wing authoritarianism choose to stand on both sides of a contradiction and refuse to analyze the true root causes of their woes; that you can’t class traitor yourself onto the side of the ultra-wealthy, and that their Supreme Leader will throw them under the bus at the first incentive.

A person who chooses to protect their energy from such a Facebook uncle, does not consitute a both-sides.

Not that I went looking for anyone pressing a “both-sides” angle…hoping we can leave it behind in terms of “information silos”

I think it’s because people have grown up with or are the people who were lied to by the smart people with credentials. And now that a lot of that information has been disproved, don’t trust the system. If you’ve tasted the credentials system, it’s known that a lot of that is nepo, wealth, political, etc., it casts a doubt on everything. Now you have to weed through everything to find out if it’s right regardless of credentials. Who do you trust? Also, new information comes along and theories change, so who’s to say that those theories are going to stick around. Basically, it’s complicated.

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They haven’t left, they just chum the water a bit and sit back and enjoy the show.

With hard vacuum though, I believe I remember you may get a couple seconds of consciousness before you pass out from the stress. (unless it’s explosive which could knock you out instantly) You should usually get a couple minutes without any permanent injuries before death from asphyxiation. Any injuries would more or less be your larynx and eardrums, both from air getting rapidly pushed out. To minimize it you would need to be actively exhaling while opening the tubes to your ears (what you do when popping them) which will allow air to escape less forcefully.

Emboli and frostbite will however happen towards the end of those minutes. But with us being mostly a mix of liquids and solids, (with dissolved gasses) which take time to sublimate, (evaporation in a vaccum) no insta-freeze or red mist.

To attempt to wake up those people who think Elon is actually God’s gift of mankind.

I never really used Twitter, but I’d start using Mastodon, if only to get people to start using Mastodon?

which one… Elon? (i’m all for it)

Yes. Exactly like every other non-nazi still on there must do. It’s the Modern equivalent to “don’t feed the trolls”

Amen

Just got off Twitter, it feels real good

I strongly disagree with that statement… tools are useful.

He did it for a two-fer. He educated the general public …and handed eloin his ass.

Meh, association taints.

Are those two things not the same?

Imo it just makes things worse, esp. considering the platform is twitter. Interacting with musk won’t look good, given how manupulative musk is.

“*pffffbtbtbt* Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true.” - Homer Simpson

Also methodology.

Because he owns a bunch of shit. That’s literally it. Nobody would give a single shit about him if he didn’t have money. I saw it put very eloquently like this:

Elon Musk is so poor that all he has is money.

Because he is not your run-of-the-mill tech billionaire.

He’s an asshole, yes, but you don’t see Zuckerberg, Gates, Bezos or anyone else make the kind of big moves he does.

In acamedia you usually get your name on most papers where you help a bit. And if you’re the boss, you get your name on papers without even helping but perhaps supplying space, material, budget.

Yes, thought the same but have a quick look at this: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=WLN3QrAAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate Seems about right? But yeah, must be advising lots of students or something. He is rarely the first, second or even third author on the papers.

There are some people in this world who are smarter and more motivated than we are.

And then there are people who get a head start when their rich daddy gives 'em a bunch of money and they get lucky with how they invest that money but pretend to be a genius anyway.

This is a fair question. But also, we’re talking about one of the most influential minds in deep learning. If anything he’s selling himself short. He’s definitely not first author on most of them, but I would give all my limbs to work in his lab.

Yeah, even if he is advising or contributing, the way he put it sounds very disingenuous like he’s trying to inflate the number for his argument. Which MIGHT mean there likely was not many with immediately recognizable significance in that time (don’t yell at me, I have not taken the time to verify this).

Either way, the way he responded comes across as very “I’m published, you’re not, neener neener!” which is not a good look for anyone with a doctorates.

Also, genuine question, how significant was the contribution of LeNet-5 to the field of deep learning vs Neocognitron?

Stephen King claims he writes 2000 words a day.

R. L. Stein supposedly wrote a new (admittedly short) novel every two weeks.

This Spanish romance novelist apparently wrote over 4000 novels in her lifetime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corín_Tellado

So sure, why not 80 technical papers in 2.5 years?

Difference being that with some mild encouragement and instruction your nine-year-old could probably do some laundry on his own. Musk do science? Nah.

We’re all human.
In a way I’m both happy and sad I live in the time when places like twitter showed that for all to see.