That’s probably because your president is committing mass genocide of Ukrainians by abducting 700,000 of their children to be raised as Russians.
Do you think a random Russian citizen who is trying to leave Russia has anything to do with this?
Many of the people trying to leave Russia are against the war. It is idiotic to shame civilians who have little to no power to stop the actions of their oligarch run government.
She says:
I can’t stand it anymore because our real nationality is strong
Not sure what to make of this. We only have a video of an upset girl. Is she being treated unfairly? Who the fuck knows. All I know is that it plays perfectly into the Kremlin’s propaganda: We are the good guys and the world hates us for no good reason.
I don’t think Kremlin propaganda involves runaways seeking life elsewhere. Particularly their young women. That’s a really bad look for Russia.
Kremlin propaganda constantly involves polishing a turd until it shines. They’re going to have that ‘bad look’ one way or another, how do they twist it to make it work for them.
Turds are all they ever have, and they shine them well.
Actually, it does. It says that the Russian people have nowhere to go. Their only option is to band together (behind Putin).
Edit: Oh, btw. I’m not saying that this video is definitely part of a propaganda campaign. She could also be a victim of propaganda.
The claim is that she is a civilian, not a soldier. The video in no way suggests that soldiers
are the good guys and the world hates us for no good reason.
Disliking the actions of a government is very different from disliking an entire people based on nationality.
Your line of reasoning is very hard to follow. You are alternating between soldiers/civilians and people/individuals. You are arguing against a point I never made. You are not engaging with my concerns. So let me state this again. The video is highly emotional, completely one-sided. Contains no concrete information. And fits perfectly into the Kremlin’s propaganda. I wonder if all these Mexicans still hate her after she tells them that she disagrees with Putin and his war.
Do you think Westerners should hate the Russian people (civilians) because Putin is waging war?
If you say no, then you are in agreement with the person in the video, and by your own logic, have fallen for “Kremlin Propaganda”.
Russias “nationality” has boiled quite down to hail putin so there’s that.
There is no “good old russia” any more.
itt: a bunch of people spoiled by the fortune of not meeting enough actual Russians. They are overwhelmingly supportive of the war as it is fully aligned with the nation’s imperialistic identity, one that existed long before Putin was even born. Russia has amazing, brilliant, heroic opposition activists which are a slim minority, I’ve been told less than 1%. The rest are mostly like this woman (or worse)
You speak as if you believe Russia has freedom of press and right to openly protest. The fact is that the Russian state controls most of the public discourse, and any opposition is crushed. And you would place the blame on the victims of this regime?
EDIT: You seem like the type to believe Putin fairly won the election with 88% of the vote.
There are issues that Russia has right now, and then there is a national identity that they have had for decades and centuries. You seem to not be educated about the latter part. The misinformation is effective and bloodshed in Ukraine is supported because the content and aim resonates with the population. Putin did not have to convince anyone there that Ukrainians (and other neighbor countries) don’t have the right to exist as an independent nation. Even the most popular opposition leader Navalnyi had some horrifying imperialistic quotes, he fully supported the war in Georgia, the thing he was opposing to was corruption, not occupation. And knowing these important details is crucial for understanding just how much of the responsibility for the war falls on the nation and not just Putin.
Putin did not have to convince anyone there that Ukrainians (and other neighbor countries) don’t have the right to exist as an independent nation.
This is absolutely not true. Many Russians have relatives in the countries which were formerly part of the Soviet Union. There have been many protests within Russia against the war, which were usually met with violent suppression. Many in opposition of the war fled if they were able to.
But I guess Russians just really want to fight against their foreign relatives, simply because they themselves are Russian.
there is a national identity that they have had for decades and centuries
Yeah, there was this one guy who was in power for like 24 years who was a part of the intelligence community before he became a politician. Before he came to power, the entire world wanted the nation gone (and still do). Crazy how having every western government hate you could be used to create a national identity.
for understanding just how much of the responsibility for the war falls on the nation and not just Putin.
If the Russian people are responsible, I guess we should start bombing Russian cities then. That sounds reasonable.
yeah the end of the comment makes it clear that you’re malicious. What you say is utterly immoral and pinning that statement to me is disgusting.
For someone else who does not see why the whole response is answering to claims they themselves made it up (and try to create an illusion that those were my arguments) I am arguing that a random person who clearly displays typical Russian values should not be given a kilometer wide benefit of the doubt. And ignorant people here should stop going out on a limb to keep defending “innocent Russian civilians” and insisting that it’s only Putin that is the problem. Because that claim is factually false and ignorant of Russian civil culture and widespread imperialistic values. I was only explaining a context about Russian civilians that is necessary to keep in mind when being confused by someone like this lady.
I have said before and I will elaborate that I completely admire Russian opposition and would literally never achieve fraction of their courage but despite being many, in a population of hundreds of millions, fraction wise they’re nowhere near being a major portion. I never said every single Russian supports the war, and you trying to push that I did to justify dragging in an unrelated argument about protests is another openly malicious move. It is exhausting to argue when the other person twists your words, whether due to malice or not having skills to analyze statements.
I work with several, you are just a bigot.
I have dozens of Russian friends too, they explained all these things to me, especially since after the war many had to cut off almost everyone starting from family (I mean most of them had already cut off parents or at least a father since they typically beat the shit out of children) to classmates to other acquaintance. They were raised in Russia (those raised in western countries have a totally different background and are less severely impacted culturally) and were adults before Putin had absolute power. They say he just built on top of the identity of violence and imperialism. The Russian philosophers and political scientists they read and watch explain this. Are they bigots too?
I completely agree. Not all people are as open minded. I know an Israeli-American with dual citizenship that protested Netanyahu at NYU. People are absolutely not defined by their government. Russian elections are clearly rigged, so it’s even less likely she’s in favor of Putin. I wouldn’t criticize her unless she personally spoke in support of his actions. Unfortunately, I know enough people to be aware that it’s just not how everyone operates.
Her statements in the video suggest otherwise:
“[Russians] have a strong nationality”, which to me means they identify with their country and consequently its government. This statement alone says she should be emotionally responsible for her government’s actions as it indirectly or tacitly supports them.
“We are not an aggressive people”. False. Your nation is currently waging one of a series of aggressive wars in the region of late and there are numerous Russian videos that show how common vehicular accidents have everyone involved (and more) exiting their vehicles armed with melee weapons (crowbars, bats, etc…). Not an aggressive people? Relative to what, the Mongol Horde?
Members of hostile Nations have a burden of proof to show they are willing to play ball with other civilizations. The very fact she’s crying about the unfair treatment instead of asking ‘why all the hate’ and trying to dispel everyone’s very reasonable concerns is another strike against.
If she actually sat down and learned what her country was doing to innocent Ukrainians, and publicly denounced their actions she would have my sympathy. Until then she is a citizen of Orkistan, raised to hate the West and believe her governments lies since birth and cannot be trusted.
Do you think a random Russian citizen who is trying to leave Russia has anything to do with this?
No but that’s not a defence for her entitlement. Did she say “look,I totally despise what Russia ia doing in Ukrainians and how its undermining other countires and I don’t supoort that”… No, not once did she say that… Fuck her. I’ll save my empathy for the folks slaughtered in Bucha.
It’s also sending swarms of kgb assets into western countries to fuck with, media, elections, sabotage etc. There should be a MUCH higher barrier of entry for Russians
The killings / rape / torture is not just the president’s deeds.
but we never do aggressive things
Holy snapping duckshit you’re so far removed from reality that you’re in your own separate omniverse and that’s absolutely impossible
Eh… I mean, she’s talking about Russians, not Russia. Like, how individuals act. I think that there’s probably a case that judging national character based on country policy is kinda frustrating. You go back a couple hundred years, and it was pretty common for Empire A to go take over nearby Country B if it could. I think most people had a national leader somewhere back in time who probably did some fairly unpleasant stuff.
Like, Putin’s running Russia. And Putin’s Russian. And Putin affects a lot of Russians, and has a lot of ability to direct the actions of a lot of Russians. But Putin also isn’t what it means to be Russian.
Like, say you’re German, and Hitler is in power, right? I mean, I’m not saying that there weren’t Germans who didn’t do some pretty unpleasant stuff during that period. Or that people weren’t pretty pissed at Germans at that point. But, like…Hitler also isn’t what it means to be German.
Here are a bunch of Russians that came over to the US or their kids.
Isaac Asimov, Michael Bay, Bernie Sanders. I think that most people aren’t gonna say “Ah, Russia is doing X, so they are bad people”. She didn’t make the call to attack Ukraine. She’s not killing people in Ukraine. She’s not even in Russia…in fact, it sounds like she’s in Mexico because she’s trying to leave Russia, which I imagine isn’t all that easy. Like, she’s upset because she’s being judged on her nationality. I mean, I get that.
Taking out anger at Putin on her doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Your Hitler example is perfect IMO. There were many beyond Hitler in Germany that deserved the hatred directed at them whether directly through horrific acts or indirectly due to their apathy or ignorance. The civilians in the towns directly adjacent to liberated concentration camps were forced by allied forces to aid in the cleanup and recovery of the camps and their victims. Many of these ‘innocent Germans’ expressed outrage at their ‘undeserved’ treatment like as seen in this video. They didn’t deserve sympathy either.
At a certain point ‘I am just an innocent wittle civilian who has done nothing wrong’ is a cop-out. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good [people] should do nothing” -Burke.
To be clear this isn’t to justify warcrimes on civilians. It is merely to say her crocodile tears fall on deaf ears.
Fun fact - Hitler was elected.
There’s potential evil in everyone, born everywhere. It’s hard for most people to swallow, but it’s true.
Hitler wasn’t really elected. His party never once had a majority vote. He got 30 ish percent iirc.
He was nominated as Chancellor as a cop out to try and appease the masses which he had stirred up.
And then used the Reichstag fire to invoke emergency powers and take full control
Yes, obviously it went quickly downhill from there (as per the plan).
It was closer to 40, but yes, he never won a majority nation-wide. Minority governments are a thing though, and he got the job democratically. It’s accurate to say he was elected.
If Germany had a nazi problem for a full century and different political powers, damn right that would represent Germans
When the people do not know what their government is doing they cannot understand why others hate them. Nationality can be a badge of honor and a hood over your eyes.
About 20 years ago I read this:
Americans say, “I don’t know why people hate us”, and that is why people hate Americans.
The Chinese government are enabling and committing horrors of their own. Yet everyone would be crying racism if there was general hatred of Chinese people
Tepid take: there’s probably more racism against Chinese people in America than Russians.
Exactly! See how Americans behave, exactly like this girl.
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Many of us vote and write Congress too.
There are dozens of us!!!
Oh the good ol whataboutism.
Never a truer word spoken
“Y’all hade us cuz y’aint us”
No, that would be your terrorist government who has destabilised the entire planet to line their own greedy evil pockets
it’s the invading of soverign nations… multiple times…
oh and all the war crimes
Now why would the world hate russia, hmmm? Could it be the war and killing you do in Ukraine? The threats against other democracies? The bullying of other countries and persons? The megalomaniac tendencies of that monkey putin?
No sympathy from me…
Here’s a kind reminder that the Russian state is not the Russian people and there are plenty of examples throughout history of people being complacent. There are very few examples of a state so corrupt as Russia, where politicians, oligarchs and literal mafia have a hidden understanding and the system of law is just a dog and pony show.
That being said, empower Russians in diaspora, here in Europe and in the US, that seek to depose Putin, that seek to inform the Russian people. I’m saying Russia needs it’s own IRA and certain buildings need to go boom, not because Ukraine, but because of Russians.
Be their ally, and for God’s sake, don’t use fucking Telegram to communicate with them.
People in power are put into or were allowed to seize that power. Not saying 100% of russia is behind putin but enough are. For me russians are part of the proble and I will not defer to putin and make him a scapegoat. russians need to take responsibility and until they do, I have no kindness or consideration for them.
Nuance is all fine and well, I bet the people getting raped and killed will have (had) a different opinion. I will stand with Ukraine if you do not mind and leave sympathy where it belongs: Ukraine
Sorry, but no. We’re far too long into this bullshit by now, with Russia now pushing towards WW3. If you’re after all this shit still in Russia and not actively righting the regime, as if all of this doesn’t concern you, then you’re part oft he problem. Just like the Germans in Nazi Germany at the time who just looked away, despite knowing what was happening.
It is really difficult to believe morons like this exist.
I would argue that most people are almost completely oblivious to the world around them. This lady has been fed pro Russian propaganda her whole life so of course the real world is shocking. How could everything she was taught be wrong?
This, I agree. A moment of revelation is a shock. People will even become violent to defend their version of reality.
The fight scene in They Live is a good example. He wants him to put the glasses on to see reality, the other man simply refuses, things get violent.
And exactly, how could everything he know be wrong without the glasses? This drives his behavior.
Instead of whining to the camera, they could just do a quick google search, with all the same questions, instead of blaming the whole world.
Instead, we got this “why are people so mean to russians, we are the best” overdramatic nonsense, because her daddy’s money couldn’t buy her something in the real world.
These are, of course, assumptions.
I know but they swamped my country when the war started and I can tell you with full and tragic confidence that this is legit (and even worse, typical)
Why are they a moron?
Because you have to be so deep up your own ass to purposefully ignore information about the atrocities committed by your country, that you could probably see the light through your mouth.
I sort kind of undertand brainwashed russians living in a russian bubble, with no access to outside information. Fine, you’re fed shit all your life, so that’s the only desert you’ve had and that’s the only desert you want/need.
But this moron is out in the free world, and simply cannot underatand why, oh why could people be weary of russians? Truly the pinnacle of evolution.
Why is the same attitude not conveyed towards north korean escapees?
Do escapees of NK often express disbelief that the rest of the world dislikes the country they escaped from? Your question seems to be a non sequitur.
There’s a difference between disliking the country and the people that emigrated from that country
North Korean escapees almost exclusively did so against the wishes of their government, and almost certainly have a dim view of them. This is likely reflected in the view other people have of them.
Russian citizens are almost all free to leave, and often still have a positive view of their home country.
That’s a really interesting point. Maybe because the North Korean govt is seen as persecuting it’s citizens. Therefore it’s citizens are seen as the victims (despite some citizens being the perpetrators).
Whereas Russian citizens are seen as the perpetrators (as invading soldiers) along with the leadership and surrounding countries are seen as the victims.
I agree. I think this is spot on. It’s the context. If I see Russians traveling around right now, I assume they are traveling to avoid the war, but aren’t against it happening. I feel like with these videos, it’s always the Russians that are puppets to their government. Never the ones that oppose the war.
Russians that legitimately want nothing to do with their government/ want peace are cool though.
This video seemed like she was lacking an outside perspective. She says she’s seeking a calmer place to live, but it sounds like she doesn’t understand the context that everyone else has. Everyone is eyeing Russians right now because nobody wants a bunch of warmongers moving into their country. I’m not saying all Russians are like that, but nobody knows if a person is or not. So they’re making quick judgement
I’m not sure how it is in Mexico/south America but I know in Canada we have a cultural melting pot, but people bring their past quarrels with them into the country. So you have a bunch of people living in Canada that will occasionally fight each other because of what Is happening in their original countries. Nobody wants to deal with that
Why do you assume the Russians that are fleeing are simultaneously agreeing with the actions of the country they fled?
Because in the video she declares “Russians are a nationalist people” and simultaneously not once clarifies that she disagrees with the government. When you say you love your country it is assumed you mean its government too unless you say otherwise.
They are raised from birth to hate the West and believe their tyrannical government’s lies. This compounds the need to expressly rebuke Putin etc for Russians looking for sympathy.
I’ve heard that some of the wealthy are fleeing so that they don’t get affected by the war directly. I assume some are waiting for it to blow over and will return when it’s done. Or some might just set up somewhere else.
Of course, it’s impossible to tell without the whole picture (which we rarely have). I’m purely basing this off of what I have read and the videos I’ve seen. So I could be entirely wrong.
So why target people emigrating AWAY from that?
While Russia is fascist as heck, it is still substantially easier to emigrate from Russia than it is to emigrate from North Korea. Also, while there is a powerful state media in Russia, they do not have complete (or near complete) control over every line of communication in and out of the country as is the case in North Korea. There’s also the matter of relative wealth and ability to defy/evade government control by way of travel/media consumption/emigration.
I don’t hate Russians. I’m not fond of Russia though.
I try to put myself in their situation. As much as I am against this stupid war and Putin, if I was born in a country under dictatorship, I’d probably be brainwashed or too afraid to speak my mind too.
Get used to it lady.
That bitch learns the true meaning of FAFO.
Oh boy. This is a tough one.
In one part every citizen is in small part accountable for their government, if nothing else then through inaction. Then again they might be leaving their country, because they or their family member took action. With all this hate will it decrease the chance of somebody taking action?
But what if we look at this from East European perspective? They were under Soviet boot for decades as second rate citizens in their own country. Russians controlling everyting through inserted puppet government. Russians spoke alot about comradeship, but their stance was clear that Russians were higher breed. Do they have more right to hate every Russian?
Hate is nothing new to Russians, they see it everywhere, due to the countries history of agressive foreign policies and spy operations.
This makes me think this is just a propaganda bit. Primarily aimed for domestic use. “Don’t leave Russia, they’ll just hate you.”
If more Americans visited Europe they’d understand
Well hope she gets send back to Russia.
