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nekandro@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago

Ukraine to Protect Its F-16 Fighter Fleet by Basing Planes ‘in Other Countries’

www.kyivpost.com

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Ukraine to Protect Its F-16 Fighter Fleet by Basing Planes ‘in Other Countries’

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nekandro@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago
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Air Force Official: Ukraine to Protect Its F-16 Fighter Fleet by Basing Planes ‘in Other Countries’
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The Kremlin has vowed any NATO personnel helping Kyiv attack Russia would be legitimate targets.
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    While I think that’s dope it does feel like it gives Russia valid cause to strike them in host countries and kind of feels like a deliberate provocation to do so?

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      Russia doesn’t actually want NATO get involved so they wouldn’t strike the host nation.

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          Russia has stated many things which are often contradictory and false.

          Regardless, attacking NATO countries would be strategic insanity.

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            they are insane tho, but putin don’t want to die, and their fuxked up defense system can’t cope with the ammount of missiles that gonna rain in his head

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              They’re not insane: everything they’ve done are things they sincerely thought they could get away with, and up until Ukraine Putin has been correct in that regard.

              Pretending to be crazy is an effective strategy: ironically Nixon popularized it during the cold war.

              Attacking targets in NATO countries (even if “justified”) is going to drastically increase the odds NATO gets directly involved in Ukraine – something Putin absolutely doesn’t want.

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              It’s not even politics, It’s just math. NATO has superiority in economy, industrial output, operational equipment and manpower.

              Plus they’re too close to Russia for asymmetric warfare rules.

              I would bet on it, but I’d sure as hell wish we could all get along instead.

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              Um… Is NATO weaker with the addition of Sweden and Finland? I’m not sure what your definition of “weak” means. I thought having more allies is not weak.

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          They also stated they won’t attack Ukraine.

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            Here’s what Russia actually stated as explained by the chief of NATO

            The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

            The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

            So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.

            https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm

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                people enter nato

                the famous nato referendums

                stop vomiting russia propaganda

                citing nato is russian propaganda lmao

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          “Russia states” lmao

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          If it’s a NATO country the F-16s are the least of their worries and find out what a real 3 day operation looks like.

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          Russia can’t afford to escalate.

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            It already worked once.

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              Well the second best army is not performing anywhere near expectations. Russia should finish one fight theycan’t go the distance on before picking on NATO.

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      Russia already stated that they will do precisely that, so this moves us one step closer to a nuclear holocaust. Hope it was worth it.

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        This comment is for anyone who is experiencing nuclear-phobia, kinda like I do, to which I strictly mean living with a state of fear or dread about a nuclear apocalypse, this development does puts the world one step closer. It’s okay to be scared by that, I know I am. It doesn’t mean the world is one step away from a nuclear apocalypse. The world has been closer to the brink of nuclear war before and we’re all still here. It’s okay to breathe.

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          I don’t know where you get your nuclear vibes from, but we have hardly been closer, actually.

          Six months ago: Doomsday Clock remains at a minute and a half to midnight in 2024—closest ever to apocalypse

          And things have only worse since then. This week: Russian warships, nuclear submarine enter Havana Harbor under watch of U.S. destroyers

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        Russia said they would nuke the west 10 times already, they have rattled the saber too much and nobody believes the threat.

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          Where, please provide an ofgicial statement from Russia saying that.

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            https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/how-real-is-putins-threat-to-nuke-the-west

            Or do you mean the ones made on state TV in 2022 that the Kremlin now says never happened?

            https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-putin-didnt-threaten-use-nuclear-weapons-us-took-him-out-context-2024-03-14/

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              These are reminders that Russia is a nuclear superpower, and that continued escalation can lead to a direct war between west and Russia which will almost certainly be nuclear.

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                Almost like saying that Russia would “nuke” the west…

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                  almost like you’re projecting

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                    Please explain, as that statement does not seem to make much sense to me.

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        good, now we know that they are in fact not do that

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        I would be shocked if Russia did, the west has been pretty limited with allowing Ukrainian strikes with western systems on Russia even to this day. Like it or not I don’t think they would attempt to strike another country because they are scared of relatiation.

        I would be happy to be wrong, because if they do I think the west would join the war or allow Ukraine more Freedom with their systems. Either way the net outcome is Russians still loosing the long game, like they currently are

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