If there is so few people that get it right, maybe the problem is that the system is not adapted for the vast majority of people and the reality of the work life, and other options should be explored.
But there is always someone claiming that everyone else get it wrong and blablabla.
But someone with a MBA in a closed office is pushing that shit all the time, and everyone that has to use it roll their eyes because they know damn well that the only thing that will matter is those damn story points, and the people will game the system because that’s all that matters to those that don’t use the system, and you will hear about that other team that always finish the tasks in their sprint.
Scrum is not the be-all end-all, but in organizations that cannot implement scrum effectively, no system could hope to achieve anything meaningful either.
Scrum aims at empowering workers to remove power from clueless MBAs and meritless CEOs, if they don’t want to play ball then the idiocracy will win every time regardless.
Good software does not come out of companies without a bottom-up approach to software development. Top-down approaches are either terrible or extremely expensive.
Agile development is something that at my company we fought for, not against. It’s literally impossible to fight against actual agile development since it has to come from the workers. Agile is not scrum, and neither are a collection of ceremonies. It’s just a framework to give agency to developers.
Do you think that traditional project management is from the top down? Or were you exposed to bad traditional project management? Because that’s the same argument that you are making for Agile.
Let’s make things clear - the Agile methodology is a great tool. But like any other tool, it is not a one size fits all. But what is happening right now is that it’s pushed by upper management because that’s the cool tool.
What kind of non-agile bottom-up software projects have you experienced? Bottom-up waterfall? I guess it’s possible in theory but that would be a sight to behold.
My only point is that in most situations, upper management are fools that should be left to their devices and should never get a say in development methodologies. By definition if upper management imposes Scrum, it’s a self-defeating prophecy.
Waterfall
Agile
Scrum
Top-down
Can be great (esp. with rigid requirements like fintech, for safety-critical systems, or integration with traditional engineering processes with rigid schedules and feature sets) but will probably be more expensive
Bad managers trying to make-up for their own lack of foresight
Can’t exist (but some companies pretend very hard)
Bottom-up
Probably can’t exist (but I haven’t seen anyone try)
Yes
Yes
Your average tech company should be somewhere in the bottom-right, but bad managers are trying to pull the needle upwards to justify their existence or make up for their incompetence. But they still call that “Agile” (which can be true by some definitions of the word) or “Scrum” (which that isn’t, by definition).
Fuck scrum
@urquell @yogthos
then it ain’t correct scrum. the team should decide to add more people.
but you know scrum is like teenage sex… everybody says he does it only a small percentage do and a insignificant number do it right
If there is so few people that get it right, maybe the problem is that the system is not adapted for the vast majority of people and the reality of the work life, and other options should be explored.
But there is always someone claiming that everyone else get it wrong and blablabla.
But someone with a MBA in a closed office is pushing that shit all the time, and everyone that has to use it roll their eyes because they know damn well that the only thing that will matter is those damn story points, and the people will game the system because that’s all that matters to those that don’t use the system, and you will hear about that other team that always finish the tasks in their sprint.
Scrum is not the be-all end-all, but in organizations that cannot implement scrum effectively, no system could hope to achieve anything meaningful either.
Scrum aims at empowering workers to remove power from clueless MBAs and meritless CEOs, if they don’t want to play ball then the idiocracy will win every time regardless.
No, it just means that this is not the right tool for that company. But it is forced upon the employees.
That’s naive ( or bad faith) to think that it gives power to the workers. It’s just used against them.
I get the spirit of the method, but it is not the only available tool and the right tool for every project and company and should be treated as such.
Good software does not come out of companies without a bottom-up approach to software development. Top-down approaches are either terrible or extremely expensive.
Agile development is something that at my company we fought for, not against. It’s literally impossible to fight against actual agile development since it has to come from the workers. Agile is not scrum, and neither are a collection of ceremonies. It’s just a framework to give agency to developers.
Do you think that traditional project management is from the top down? Or were you exposed to bad traditional project management? Because that’s the same argument that you are making for Agile.
Let’s make things clear - the Agile methodology is a great tool. But like any other tool, it is not a one size fits all. But what is happening right now is that it’s pushed by upper management because that’s the cool tool.
What kind of non-agile bottom-up software projects have you experienced? Bottom-up waterfall? I guess it’s possible in theory but that would be a sight to behold.
My only point is that in most situations, upper management are fools that should be left to their devices and should never get a say in development methodologies. By definition if upper management imposes Scrum, it’s a self-defeating prophecy.
Your average tech company should be somewhere in the bottom-right, but bad managers are trying to pull the needle upwards to justify their existence or make up for their incompetence. But they still call that “Agile” (which can be true by some definitions of the word) or “Scrum” (which that isn’t, by definition).