• EatATaco@lemm.ee
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        6 months ago

        You’re right, I wanted an answer to my question and instead you rephrased my question, which avoided my actual point, and then only kind of answered that question.

        Let me try to rephrase to get to my point: this shop has security cameras, insurance, and other reasonable protective and preventative methods, they get robbed (which still result in a financial hit). Are they victims?

        • otp@sh.itjust.works
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          6 months ago

          Another user to the pile here to say that their response fully answered your question.

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            6 months ago

            I don’t see it. So please explain. Can they be a victim?

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              6 months ago

              Sorry, you’re going to have to keep looking. Somehow, everyone else got the answer to your question.

              • EatATaco@lemm.ee
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                6 months ago

                It’s obvious who is confident in defending their position and who is not.

        • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
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          6 months ago

          you rephrased my question

          No I didn’t.

          this shop has security cameras, insurance, and other reasonable protective and preventative methods, they get robbed (which still result in a financial hit). Are they victims?

          Yes, just like if a company properly offboards their employees, they would be victims if a disgruntled employee hacked them in retaliation.

          But that’s not what happened. This “shop” doesn’t have locks on the doors. It’s hard to feel bad for them when they left the door wide open.

          • EatATaco@lemm.ee
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            6 months ago

            corporations are not people, they are soulless, for-profit enterprises that will, for damn sure, abuse and exploit any one and any thing they can in the name of profit. They don’t get the defense of “victim blaming”.

            So you agree with me that corporations can be victims, which is what I was originally responding to and you originally challenged.

            You’re now saying that if proper precautions are not taken, you can’t be considered a victim.

            This is classic victim blaming, which is my point. If I leave my wallet on the table at a bar and someone steals it, despite me being an idiot I’m still the victim of a crime. It’s not my fault, it’s the fault of the person who stole it.

            Just like with the company in the OP, they are idiots for not taking proper precautions against malicious actors, but it’s still the fault of the malicious actor.

            • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca
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              6 months ago

              Corporations can’t be victims of victim blaming

              So you agree that they can be victims of victim blaming

              That user that tagged you as “purposeful idiot” was fucking spot on.

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      6 months ago

      It’s their own fault if they didn’t take the reasonable precautions that anyone should be aware of when going in to business for profit.

      Yes I did.

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        6 months ago

        That’s cherry picking a single scenario which allows you to sort of maintain your position, but still doesn’t even answer the question in that particular case, and certainly does not answer the question as to whether that mom and pop shop can be a victim.

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          They replied elsewhere, that victim is a personifying trait and that applying it to inanimate objects makes no sense.

          While corporations can be the victim of an attack in the technical sense, we wouldnt feel bad for the corporation because a corporation has no feelings that could be hurt, or any hopes that could be dashed, or whatever other reason someone might feel bad for a victim of something.

          In the table example, the table is a victim of the spilled drink but that is a meaningless distinction because a table that is a victim is exactly the same as that same table when its not a victim.

          You could say that the owner(s) of the business are the victims however, as they do have hopes and dreams and ambitions that are affected by these things. While you might still conclude the owners aren’t owed any sympathy, its for different reasons than a table would receive no sympathy.

    • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      He did answer the question, you just didn’t understand his answer.

      • Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        6 months ago

        Pretty clear by the fact they keep asking for further clarification. Why’s everyone so afraid to try and engage further?