I saw an article about them attacking Lebanon now. So, where will it stop? Have the Israeli government ever spoken about this?

  • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
    217·
    6 months ago

    Completely occupying Palestinian land has been the plan for over half a century.

    With this terrorist attack, Israel is trying to wrap it up.

    They could have completed their colonization under the guise of righteous vengeance, but:

    That now has very little chance of succeeding because of three important factors 1) it’s taking much too long 2)they’re indisputably committing witnessed, recorded and shared war crimes and 3) the goodwill they’ve accumulated for 70 years as a stabilizing ally is wearing off pretty quickly.

    There’s more support for Palestine now than there has been with these same Israeli attacks occurring for the past 70 years.

    Palestine is officially recognized by 145 countries or so at this point.

    So, likely scenario is there’s going to be a ceasefire eventually and a similar paltry amount of land will be given to a nascent “official” Palestinian authority under the practical authority of Israel, which is not ideal, but it might actually result in the beginning of a two-state solution that’s been suggested since Israel became a country.

    In practical terms, Palestine getting a “country”, not much will change between Israel and Palestine because the establishment of Palestine doesn’t affect the fundamental religious conflict between the two.

    That’s where it looks like it’s headed.

    I hope I’m wrong and something better happens.

    • Nougat@fedia.io
      132·
      6 months ago

      Palestine being a wholly recognized nation with borders would make it so much easier for the world community to use its leverage on both Israel and Palestine for any of their shenanigans. As it stands now, it’s still arguably “an internal conflict.”

      That’s a lot different from “attacking a sovereign nation.”

      • SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world
        21·
        6 months ago

        No it wouldn’t because the problem isn’t with borders, it’s with government. The Palestinian government has squandered every opportunity and has done everything it could to stop progress. Its Arab allies have been dedicated for decades to do everything in their power to act on the behalf and in the best interest of Palestine from going to wars to destroy Israel to islamic world organized boycotts and sanctions against Israel to diplomatic pressure on the west to do something to providing their own peace proposals to giving them arms to taking them in as refugees to giving them billions in humanitarian aid annually and the list goes on and on… But every time, their efforts blew up in their faces. There’s a reason why these countries are starting to recognize Israel.

    • SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world
      22·
      6 months ago

      You’re talking out of your ass. Israel has no plans to take over Gaza. They already had it and even had settlements there going back all the way before Israel gained its independence. But they voluntarily existed in 2005 in hopes of fostering peace with the Gazans… Instead the first thing they did was elect Hamas and commit terrorist attacks.

      • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
        41·
        6 months ago

        So if you rewind another 50 years or so, you’ll understand the statement I made a little better.

        The israeli conquest of Palestinian land started quite a ways before 2005.

        • SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world
          21·
          6 months ago

          I literally don’t care, you made a false statement. Israel unilaterally left Gaza. They don’t have settlements there anymore and they don’t plan to. Making up stuff doesn’t make you sound smart.

          • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
            31·
            6 months ago

            You might want to care, since your false claims are entirely based on a woefully inaccurate and incomplete historical understanding of the conflict.

              • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
                2·
                6 months ago

                Thanks, it’s fine.

                I have a lot of free time and it’s fun to respond to mindless bad faith with diametric sincerity.

                They always get boggled.

            • SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world
              21·
              6 months ago

              Nothing that I have said is false. In fact I can source every single one of my claims. I know a propaganda fueled drone such as yourself can’t do the same, which is why you came back with this drivel instead of providing substance

              • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
                2·
                6 months ago

                You claimed:

                “I literally don’t care”.

                Sure doesn’t seem to jive with your histrionics.

                Also, the history of Israel and Palestine is incredibly well documented. Going back 75 years.

                You could literally search on any engine and find it instantly. You don’t even need a particular source to figure out how old this conflict is.

                Which is probably where you should start.

                • SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world
                  21·
                  6 months ago

                  If you actually took into account the context, it’s very obvious that I said I don’t care about your claim that conflict is old and goes back many years. Nobody is disputing that. My point is that you made specific claim, which is that Israel wants to annex the Palestinian territories entirely as their ultimate goal, however, that is blatantly false because Israel literally gave up their settlements in Gaza voluntarily in 2005 and unilaterally existed. If their ultimate goal is complete conquest, why would they have done such a move? This event contradicts your thesis and disproves your claim.

                  • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
                    2·
                    6 months ago

                    Paraphrased: “After decades of colonization, why would Israel publicly state that they were ending all illegal ongoing colonization?”

                    1. Because Israel already took most of the land(see picture) and didn’t have to give any back.

                    2. Because there was a lot of complaints about them colonizing Palestine, especially as the internet became more popular and people became more aware of the illegal Israeli colonization of Palestinian land.

                    3. By publicly stating that Israel would no longer annex Palestinian land, they didn’t have to give up any of the land they already colonized over the past half century, civilians could continue to colonize Palestinian land because it wasn’t official government or military colonization, and people would be mollified.

                    And it worked.

                    You apparently aren’t aware that Israelis are still colonizing Palestine because 19 years ago they put out a press release that said “no backsies, but some of us will stop officially colonizing this country after 60 years”.

                    The civilians are still settling Palestinian land(they never stopped) that has been now evacuated because, you know, they’re killing all the Palestinians.

                    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/3/8/israeli-settlement-expansion-in-palestinian-areas-amounts-to-war-crime-un

                    https://www.aljazeera.com/features/longform/2024/3/19/how-israeli-settlers-are-expanding-illegal-outposts-amid-gaza-war

      • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
        74·
        6 months ago

        That refers to an agreement by the Israeli military to stop officially invading and colonizing Palestine after successfully colonizing over 90% of their territory.

        Unofficially, government invasion continued and the usrael government did nothing to stop illegal civilian Israeli invaders and colonizers.

        Israel also continued to bomb civilian establishments and execute civilians up until the present day!