…according to a Twitter post by the Chief Informational Security Officer of Grand Canyon Education.

So, does anyone else find it odd that the file that caused everything CrowdStrike to freak out, C-00000291-
00000000-00000032.sys was 42KB of blank/null values, while the replacement file C-00000291-00000000-
00000.033.sys was 35KB and looked like a normal, if not obfuscated sys/.conf file?

Also, apparently CrowdStrike had at least 5 hours to work on the problem between the time it was discovered and the time it was fixed.

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    If I send you on stage at the Olympic Games opening ceremony with a sealed envelope

    And I say “This contains your script, just open it and read it”

    And then when you open it, the script is blank

    You’re gonna freak out

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      Ah, makes sense. I guess a driver would completely freak out if that file gave no instructions and was just like “…”

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          That’s what the BSOD is. It tries to bring the system back to a nice safe freshly-booted state where e.g. the fans are running and the GPU is not happily drawing several kilowatts and trying to catch fire.

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              what do you propose, run faulty code that could maybe actually nuke your system, not just memory but storage as well?

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              A page fault can be what triggers a catch, but you can’t unwind what a loaded module (the Crowdstrike driver) did before it crashed. It could have messed with Windows kernel internals and left them in a state that is not safe to continue. Rather than potentially damage the system, Windows stops with a BSOD. The only solution would be to not allow code to be loaded into the kernel at all, but that would make hardware drivers basically impossible.

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              BSOD is the ultimate catch statement of the OS. It will gracefully close all open data streams and exit. Of course it is not the usual exit so it gives a graphic representation of what not have gone wrong.

              If it would have been nuking it wouldn’t show anything.

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          For most things, yes. But if someone were to compromise the file, stopping when they see it invalid is probably a good idea for security

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      Except “freak out” could have various manifestations.

      In this case it was “burn down the venue”.

      It should have been “I’m sorry, there’s been an issue, let’s move on to the next speaker”

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        In this case it was “burn down the venue”.

        It was more like “barricade the doors until a swat team sniper gets a clear shot at you”.

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          Hmmmm.

          More like standing there and loudly shitting your pants and spreading it around the stage.

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        You’re right of course and that should be on Microsoft to better implement their driver loading. But yes.

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          The driver is in kernel mode. If it crashes, the kernel has no idea if any internal structures have been left in an inconsistent state. If it doesn’t halt then it has the potential to cause all sorts of damage.

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      Maybe. But I’d like to think I’d just say something clever like, “says here that this year the pummel horse will be replaced by yours truly!”

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        Problem is that software cannot deal with unexpected situations like a human brain can. Computers do exactly what a programmer tells it to do, nothing more nothing less. So if a situation arises that the programmer hasn’t written code for, then there will be a crash.

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          Poorly written code can’t.

          In this case:

          1. Load config data
          2. If data is valid:
            1. Use config data
          3. If data is invalid:
            1. Crash entire OS

          Is just poor code.

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            I agree that the code is probably poor but I doubt it was a conscious decision to crash the OS.

            The code is probably just:

            1. Load config data
            2. Do something with data

            And 2 fails unexpectedly because the data is garbage and wasn’t checked if it’s valid.

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              You can still catch the error at runtime and do something appropriate. That might be to say this update might have been tampered with and refuse to boot, but more likely it’d be to just send an error report back to the developers that an unexpected condition is being hit and just continuing without loading that one faulty definition file.

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                Unfortunately, an OS that covers such cases is a lost monetization opportunity, fuck the system, use a Linux distro, you get the idea. Microsoft makes money off of tech support for people too unversed in computers to fix it themselves.

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        I’m gonna take from this that we should have AI doing disaster recovery on all deployments. Tech CEO’s have been hyping AI up so much, what could possibly go wrong?

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          What are the chances that Crowdstrike started using ai to do their update deployments, and they just won’t admit it?

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      Nice analogy, except you’d check the script before you tried to use it. Computers are really good at crc/hash checking files to verify their integrity, and that’s exactly what a privileged process like antivirus should do with every source of information.

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      The funny bit is, I’m sure more than a few people at Crowdstrike are preparing 3 envelopes right now.

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      Ah yes. So Windows is the screaming in terror version and other systems are the “oh, sorry everyone, looks like there’s an error. Let’s just move on to the next bit” version.