Hey, I clearly remember that there was only caffeine-free Coke at Ricks College (apparently now re-branded as BYU-Idaho), and it was a Big Fucking Deal when they started allowing Coca-Cola in the campus stores and dining hall. So even if it wasn’t “official”, it was a very clear cultural issue, to the point where I don’t think that most people could have drawn a line between what was official doctrine, and what was commonly accepted as doctrine.
There also wasn’t an internet at the time, so members couldn’t readily find some of the information about the nitty gritty.
Oh most certainly. I attended BYU Provo and there was a lot of effort from students to allow the sale of caffeinated soda on campus, but the belief was that the university was holding out only because a large number of alumni might stop donating if it were to occur.
(This was more recent though.)
The culture amongst members can and often will have items that seem to go against or misinterpret official doctrine. I don’t disagree that the church would need to reiterate the doctrine to clear that up for people. What I personally don’t know is how often is appropriate for such corrections to take place. If you correct them too often they may choose to not seek out answers themselves but instead wait for a leader to explain it to them, which runs against the teaching of proactive scripture study.
Ok, I should stop there. Starting to nitpick human nature as though I’m any better (and we know that’s not fucking true in the slightest, lol)
The church has tended to tread very, very lightly on what they’re willing to declare to be doctrine, and what they aren’t, because they’re aware of how bad it looks when they have to walk doctrine back. The November policy, for instance, was explicitly called out as being revelation from god (via Russel Nelson, in 2016), but the church had to walk it back in 2019 because they were hemorrhaging members and getting incredibly bad press. (Plus, the whole article of faith thing about, “we believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression” is kind of undermined by not letting children with gay parents be baptized.)
As long as it’s dogma rather than doctrine, the church has the benefits of members conforming, without the same risk of blowback. That is, if/when it’s necessary to roll something back, it’s much easier to say that it was never doctrine in the first place, and that the mind of god hasn’t changed.
Hey, I clearly remember that there was only caffeine-free Coke at Ricks College (apparently now re-branded as BYU-Idaho), and it was a Big Fucking Deal when they started allowing Coca-Cola in the campus stores and dining hall. So even if it wasn’t “official”, it was a very clear cultural issue, to the point where I don’t think that most people could have drawn a line between what was official doctrine, and what was commonly accepted as doctrine.
There also wasn’t an internet at the time, so members couldn’t readily find some of the information about the nitty gritty.
Oh most certainly. I attended BYU Provo and there was a lot of effort from students to allow the sale of caffeinated soda on campus, but the belief was that the university was holding out only because a large number of alumni might stop donating if it were to occur.
(This was more recent though.)
The culture amongst members can and often will have items that seem to go against or misinterpret official doctrine. I don’t disagree that the church would need to reiterate the doctrine to clear that up for people. What I personally don’t know is how often is appropriate for such corrections to take place. If you correct them too often they may choose to not seek out answers themselves but instead wait for a leader to explain it to them, which runs against the teaching of proactive scripture study.
Ok, I should stop there. Starting to nitpick human nature as though I’m any better (and we know that’s not fucking true in the slightest, lol)
The church has tended to tread very, very lightly on what they’re willing to declare to be doctrine, and what they aren’t, because they’re aware of how bad it looks when they have to walk doctrine back. The November policy, for instance, was explicitly called out as being revelation from god (via Russel Nelson, in 2016), but the church had to walk it back in 2019 because they were hemorrhaging members and getting incredibly bad press. (Plus, the whole article of faith thing about, “we believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression” is kind of undermined by not letting children with gay parents be baptized.)
As long as it’s dogma rather than doctrine, the church has the benefits of members conforming, without the same risk of blowback. That is, if/when it’s necessary to roll something back, it’s much easier to say that it was never doctrine in the first place, and that the mind of god hasn’t changed.