He’s had yet another horrible week. The old tricks aren’t working. Kamala Harris does not fear him. And it’s showing in the numbers.

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    I have to admit when I’m wrong.

    I was all for Joe staying in the race, because I didn’t think the Dems would coalesce around one candidate without a shit-show convention.

    Now I’m glad I was wrong. Just putting it out there.

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      Same here. What a pleasant surprise this whole turnaround has been. I was certainly pesimistic that the Democrats would somehow make the situation even worse, like perhaps bring Clinton back.

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      Hey now, we’re only halfway there. Between Biden, Hillary and likely protesters for Palestine it can still be a shit-show convention.

      Though fiercely hope not.

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        I love how Trump’s treatment of the Kurds gets a free pass from those protesters.

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            For those who hate clickbait:

            • Trump breaks silence on Israel’s military campaign in Gaza: ‘Finish the problem’

            “The former president has largely avoided weighing in on Gaza as President Joe Biden has faced criticism from within the Democratic coalition over his support for Israel.”

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          The Repub leadership seems to be clamoring for taking actions on a spectrum between deporting protesters to Gaza or simply nuking Gaza.

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          I would bet my next paycheck that most of them probably could not even explain what he did to the Kurds.

          Most of them didn’t know (or knew and did not care) about what Israel has been doing to Palestine for decades now, and were told that this is somehow Joe Biden’s fault or some shit.

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            To be fair (and I was a great supporter of Dark Brandon), Joe Biden has been a huge supporter of Israel including derailing Hillary Clinton’s attempt to stop settlement construction (when she was secretary of state).

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            You do realize that there are Palestinians who live in the US, yes? And they’re upset about their friends and families being slaughtered right now? And you’re turning your nose up at them and saying, “What about the Kurds, tho”

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          I love how Trump’s promise to deport those protesters gets a free pass from those protesters. My brother is one of them, always ranting about “Genocide Joe” and hating the Democrats passionately despite being (ostensibly) liberal. It’s like in his universe the Republicans don’t even exist, and I just can’t understand his viewpoint.

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            It’s plain as day: They think their “conscious will be clean” and to them that’s more important than the lives of millions of Palestinians.

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            Apparently, there’s a giant far Left majority in the USA, and the only thing holding it back is the DNC.

            [better add the /s, because someone is going to explain that it is true.]

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          Absolutely none of those protestors believe Trump would be better for Palestine. They believe genocide is criminal, and immoral — and can’t in good conscience stand behind anyone who supports or enables it, regardless of the threat of something worse.

          It may not be diplomatic or cunning, but it isn’t rocket science. It’s called morality and conviction. Don’t be disingenuous.

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            It’s not being ‘disingenuous’ it’s about living in the real world.

            Back in the day, there were escaped slaves and women who couldn’t vote who worked for politicians who couldn’t assure them that, if elected, they would be able to actually change the laws.

            There were plenty of African Americans who volunteered for WW2, knowing first hand about the Jim Crow laws. They decided that supporting the US was the best way to stop something worse.

            If you fight against a Joe Biden, knowing that the Trump will be worse, you’re not being moral.

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            I don’t think you, or other idiots who were willing to give up their vote to allow Trump to win an destroy Palestine, have any fucking idea just how bad it will get if he wins.

            Maybe your conscious will be clear, but you will have been directly responsible for the deaths of millions of Palestinians due to your inaction.

            That is the reality.

            There is no “do nothing” here. Doing nothing is tantamount to aiding in the complete destruction of the Palestinian state and its people. You should be ashamed.

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              Maybe your conscious will be clear, but you will have been directly responsible for the deaths of millions of Palestinians due to your inaction.

              Using that logic, the people who supported Biden are directly responsible for the 40,000+ Palestinians who’ve been killed during his presidency.

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              Well you’re wrong in multiple ways. Firstly, I’m not American. Secondly, If I were American I would’ve voted Democrat my entire life, including for Biden and any corporate whore they put forward in a skin suit — probably longer, and more well-informed about the nuances of modern American politics, than you ever will be — but just because I’ll suck it up and eat the shit sandwich doesn’t mean I’m not gonna call the Democrats corporate whores or genocide enablers, because that is what they objectively are.

              There’s a real simple solution here. Stop funding and arming a genocidal ethnostate! What a radical concept, huh?

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                I’m not American.

                Then I’ll explain how the political system works.

                A lot of people in the USA like the ethnostate and are happy to keep it going.

                If the people who oppose it try to just cut funding they will be voted out and can do nothing.

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                  A lot of people in the USA like the ethnostate and are happy to keep it going.

                  Mate, I already know America’s a proto-fascist failed state. You’re not making a solid case for the continuation of American democracy if the majority support genocide. The majority of Germans supported Hitler. But congrats, I guess?

                  Luckily for you, even with a media wholly owned and operated by an oligarchy who profits from eternal war, there is a solid division in supporting the ethnostate among the people. They just care more about domestic problems and defeating Trump than the oligarchs crimes in the middle east. It’s understandable, considering most of what the people actually want is completely ignored by politicians on both sides of the aisle anyway.

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        Biden seems to be going all in for Harris, but according to the AP, the DNC still hasn’t updated their paperwork to reflect Biden dropping out, so it could very well end up a shit show.

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          I think Biden will be alright to be honest, even should he stumble through his speech it’s not too bad given he’s not running anymore. Just look at the joint Harris/Biden adress the other day about the pharmaceutical prices. Not a great speech by Biden, but everyone is sort of in “alright grandpa, let’s get you to bed” mode.

          The protests can get ugly, though I truly pray they won’t. But another unfortunate reaction/statement about Palestine from Harris would be bad, and worst case the protests get violent and actual fights break out - which would be bad bad.

          I also don’t see why we’re opening the Hillary box again even though it’s just a speech. But what do I know.

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        How about addressing the ongoing support for genocide, instead of blaming it on the people protesting it?

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      I got plenty of flak for suggesting Joe needed to go. The thing is, Kamala isn’t a perfect candidate either but holy hell the (perceived) difference in voter attitudes is absolutely palpable. With Joe we’d have had people voting Trump just to avoid falling asleep (not supporting that at all, but the average voter operates on extremely simple heuristics).

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        The big danger with Biden wasn’t people switching to Trump. It was people not voting at all. Democrats realized that would hurt down-ballot candidates, too.

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        I don’t think we have to wait for that. Biden was 100% losing, now Kamala at least has a chance.

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      Just another voice in the crowd to say “Same”. Herein lies one of the major differences I see with “R” vs “D”. One side sees learning and admitting mistakes as the ultimate sin, whereas the other generally embraces learning and changing a viewpoint as new information comes to light.

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        I remember writing that the Vietnam was was a terrible mistake and someone came to tell me that it was a noble cause and a moral victory.