• Korne127@lemmy.world
      93·
      3 months ago

      Yep. I find this “female clothes => they’re trans” pretty questionable. Because… clothes have no gender. Men can wear dresses and heels as well.
      And that goes for cis and trans men, I also know some trans guys that just like wearing a skirt.

      • TheSlad@sh.itjust.works
        44·
        3 months ago

        I am 100% cis straight man; I have been dressed up in drag more than once in my life and even went out in public with it. Its fun! Getting to wear pretty and cute outfits and whatnot.10/10 would do again.

        So I totally know where Bugs is coming from in this and it is NO indication of his self-identity.

      • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        111·
        3 months ago

        I agree, but I think this usually comes from a place of Bugs Bunny being many trans women’s first introduction to something outside the gender norm, and so they project that back onto the character.

        That, or they’re t4t and Bugs dressing up made them feel funny as kids in the same way that Robinhood from that one Disney movie did with furries.

      • 0ops@lemm.ee
        6·
        3 months ago

        To be fair, there’s obviously something more than the clothes the changed here, it’s how da wabbit wears them. Look at that profile:

      • rbits@lemm.ee
        3·
        3 months ago

        Agree. Bugs doesn’t normally have boobs though. I feel like that’s a bit different. Still doesn’t have to mean someone’s trans though.

          • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            6·
            3 months ago

            Cis and trans are Latin prefixes and opposites of each other - cis basically translating out to “same” and trans being “different.” To be cis means to be the same gender that the doctor assigned you when you were born, while trans people transition to a gender different from their assigned gender. So you can’t be on a spectrum of more trans or less trans because you’re transitioning to x, y, or z.

            There are spectrums that people choose from, though, if you want to get into some of the finer details. Some people use the prefix demi, meaning “partially” (like in demigod), to signify a gender that they most closely relate to but don’t feel properly identifies them. Like somebody who is a demigirl most closely relates to being a woman, but doesn’t feel like womanhood fits them. This is why the umbrella term non-binary exists, for people who feel like they fall somewhere outside the traditional designated roles of “man” or “woman” and more closely relate to a secret, third thing.

            • lime!@feddit.nuEnglish
              4·
              3 months ago

              i think trans- denotes “change” or “movement”, right? trans-isomers are usually rotated from their cis state, trans-portation moves things between areas, trans-lation changes the language of a text.

              all to say, i think the change in and of itself is significant, and not everyone who’s outside the “norm” feels a need to do it. there should probably be another term for that. too bad “heterogendered” conjures the imagery that it does.

              • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                3·
                3 months ago

                You’re right, that’s the more accurate definition. A state of change, moving from one state of being to a new one.

                I think trans still works fine in this context because gender is a cultural label designated to you entirely based on what the doctor thought at the time of your birth and what society assumes from things like secondary sex characteristics and behavior, and the cis label was retroactively applied to describe “anybody who isn’t trans” after the trans label had been in use for decades. So there’s nothing really scientific behind the label beyond the concept of that state of change. Gender itself is a cultural concept instead of a state of being too (as well as a performance that we do every moment of our lives) and so falls more into an active event than a passive state.

          • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
            5·
            3 months ago

            I don’t know if you could call it a spectrum, but there are certainly more types of transgender people than cisgender. MTF, FTM, gender fluid, non-binary, and maybe even more. I wouldn’t say there are degrees of transgenderism, tho. You are or you aren’t.

            Sexuality, on the other hand, is definitely a spectrum.

            • First Majestic Comet@lemm.ee
              2·
              2 months ago

              It’s definitely more complicated than cis or trans being a binary, I should know since I’m Isogender, neither cis nor trans. Not sure if gender modality is a spectrum though.

      • fhqwgads@possumpat.io
        6·
        3 months ago

        There’s a pretty large combination of factors that went on from what I remember. Partly it just plain didn’t get that hot that often in the UK or France back then. Partly they wore entirely different undergarments that layered to keep sweat off their actual clothes and keep them cool. Partly the summer clothes were often flowy or puffy which helped move air near the skin. And partly the fabrics they wore were different. Things like linen and cotton were the go tos. Even the linen itself was different, modern linen has shorter fibers and is much lighter.

        After the great renunciation (when men started wearing the modern(ish) suit) you start to see a lot more references to taking off layers either to cool off or to keep them clean or whatever. You also start to see variations in really hot places like the American deep south and Bermuda to deal with climates that get way way hotter than Europe with its nearby seas and cooling prevailing winds.

        Please note that all of this may be wrong and I am entirely going off what I can remember off the top of my head.

      • dessimbelackis@lemmy.world
        21·
        3 months ago

        There was a period of about a century where temps were lower across Europe called the little ice age. Don’t know if any of these portraits fall in that time frame tho

  • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee
    30·
    3 months ago

    Those were simpler times, where some adults weren’t so insecure they could get offended by cross-dressing.

    And then they killed all the Satyr plays because forced insecurities is a great way to make malleable societies upon which to build an empire to benefit the few.

    /dpostb4ileav

  • prowe45@lemm.ee
    25·
    3 months ago

    Hey Wayne, did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he put on a dress and played a girl bunny?