cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/23894598
Despite its emphasis on protecting privacy, Mozilla is moving towards integrating ads, backed by new infrastructure from their acquisition of Anonym. They claim this will maintain a balance between user control and online ad economics, using privacy-preserving tech. However, this shift appears to contradict Mozilla’s earlier stance of protecting users from invasive advertising practices, and it signals a change in their priorities.
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A bit disingenuous to call explaining what they’re doing as doubling down.
Gotta pay the bills somehow, and I’m just happy they care about privacy.
I dislike ads as much as the next person, and find uBlock Origin necessary for browsing the web, but the cold fact is that the internet is run with advertising, whether you like it or not.
If that is done without creating a profile on me, and without crippling the reading/viewing experience, I can tolerate advertisement.
I assume this is also an action towards becoming independent from Google funding; which is a good thing.
Happy to see some sane comments here. Couldn’t have said it better. You can hate ads and still keep a foot in reality.
I choose to keep both feet firmly planted in unreality.
If ads are necessary for the internet, I’m going back to reading books. It was fun y’all.
The internet is run with egress contracts. The web is run with ads.
Okay bud. Have a biscuit 🍪
Yay :)
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I absolute despise ads but they are a necessary evil, it can be implemented well if it is not done intrusive and doesn’t take up more space then the content it self. Also if it are mostly scam ads and such they might as well not have ads at all.
Fuck ads.
You’re lying to yourself if you think ads will ever be delivered without tracking.
This whole “anonymization” nonsense is a lie. It’s been shown, repeatedly, that data can be de-anonymised, especially data that’s not exactly narrowly collected.
I can already see a crowd of advertisers running to them for the remaining 3% of its users.
First off, yes, the title of the post is misleading. Mozilla is creating a privacy focused ad system. However, I legit don’t get who this is for.
As a user, I’m not turning off my adblockers. Yes, privacy is important. I’m ok with some ads, but I’m not going to risk my privacy and security, because it’s not like I’ll have a clue who is backing said ads. So it’s not for me.
Normal users have shown that they really don’t care, let alone have any kind of clue what’s going on. So it’s not for them.
Advertisers have huge incentive to show you targeted ads. They don’t want to show someone an ad on the other side of the planet for something they don’t have access to. Also why would they want to show you an ad for something completely unrelated. What’s the incentive for them to give up their targeted ads?
It’s not like Mozilla is poising themselves for any kind of government oversight. I’m in the US, and the US gov doesn’t seem to give a shit. And the EU, while they have GDPR and they’re fining companies left and right, it doesn’t seem like they’re really targeting these kinds of ads. Outside of those two I don’t know anything about other countries honestly.
So again, I have zero clue who this is for or why Mozilla thinks this will be successful. There’s no incentive or knowledge that this is needed.
I use Firefox. I run Linux. I’m not trying to bash Mozilla here. I’m not trying to be a naysayer. I’m just trying to understand what kind of real world use case this solves and incentivizes users and advertises to use it over the alternatives.
Also, WHY should I trust Mozilla with this? I use Firefox because it’s the best alternative at the moment. However, Mozilla is degrading that trust by pushing their weather thing, pocket, turning on their ad network, etc.
Like a real reason I should trust Mozilla with this. Any company is 1 executive away from becoming Google levels of anti-privacy. So why would I EVER trust this?
Yet another Mozilla hit piece that seemingly-intentionally misrepresents the good they’re doing for users.It begs the question: who has the means and motivation to consistently pay “journalists” to malign the only browser that has the slightest chance of tearing any significant amount of users away from chromium-based browsers?
EDIT: Turns out the answer to my question above might, in fact, be OP! They wrote a patently false, inflammatory title that isn’t supported by the article (or reality) at all, and I fell for it like a sucker.
…did we read two different articles? The only link I see is to Mozilla’s own blog, explaining their choices in a relatively positive way. I’ve seen the effect you pointed out a lot, I just don’t see it here.
I guess the hit piece is just the title OP put on the post.
Nope; you read an article, and I just reacted to comments on Lemmy, assuming that those commenting had read the article.
If I’d simply opened the link, I’d’ve seen it was on mozilla.org and would’ve realized it was just that the OP made a shitty clickbait title, not another Mozilla hit piece.
Shame on you, OP! Also shame on me.
I’m very happy that I moved to Floorp.
No idea what’s that but it sounds… sticky.
Here ya go! it’s a Japanese fork of FF that’s more focused on privacy. I prefer Librewolf personally but it’s good to have options I guess.
Fork of Firefox
Firefork
I just… I… I can’t install a browser that’s called “Floorp”. I just cant. I wouldn’t be able to look another person in the eyes and tell them that “I use floorp”. It’s probably a perfectly good fork of Firefox, but I just can’t.
Not my problem xd
So banning ublock origin lite from the addon store was malice, after all?
That means they will drop MV2 as soon as Chrome ends the business/legacy support, since they were the alternative.
I think the ublock origin lite thing was a legitimate mistake, though I understand Mozilla’s depleting benefit of the doubt.
THe developer also don’t want to develop uBLock Origin Lite. Mozilla is sucking all energy out of people.
of course they don’t want, it’s such an inferior addon that it’s almost useless for privacy. it’s little besides just visually hiding ads. but that’s the best that can be done on chrome
uh… no… The add-on was also developed for Firefox, which still have Manifest V2. Because of the headache of Mozilla, Hill decided to stop development for Mozilla and only release the latest (signed) add-on via github, without further updates. The developer just makes a statement that it’s getting so worse to develop for Firefox that he just doesn’t do it anymore.
yes, it was made for Firefox too. did I say it wasn’t? but I think there was no real reason for anyone to use it on Firefox.
Well you said:
but that’s the best that can be done on chrome
And I think the best use of such a plugin is actually to use it on Firefox. Since Firefox (or Firefox forks) still support Manifest v2. So actually ad-blocks on Chrome are worse, because Google created Manifest v3, which sounds newer… but it ACTUALLY worse. Manifest v3 basically disallow developer to block ads effectively. Just in the name of kugh kugh ‘privacy’ or ‘security’… Don’t get fooled by Google here!!
SO please do not use Google Chrome, they are killing ad-blockers by the introduction of Manifest v3. More info: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-chrome-manifest-v3-ad-blockers/
I agree with you, I think there might have been a misunderstanding.
Well you said:
but that’s the best that can be done on chrome
that’s true. what I wanted to mean is that I don’t think gorhill really wants to develop that addon (uBO Lite), as I can imagine he’s fed up with the limitations and how little he can do there. I don’t know he’s reason for developing it, though. Maybe as an experiment on what it could still accomplish.
And I think the best use of such a plugin is actually to use it on Firefox. Since Firefox (or Firefox forks) still support Manifest v2.
I’m a little confused here. we don’t need that plugin on Firefox, because we have the full capability version.
SO please do not use Google Chrome
I totally agree. That would be a huge downgrade. Not looking back, only forward, for FF forks and whatever the future may bring us.
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I have a suspicion you were downvoted for your view on women, not Mozilla
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Can’t snort cocaine off your secretary’s tummy anymore, because of WOKE!
feel like shit just want it back smh
you’re a stupid piece of shit. look up the glass cliff and then drown in a septic tank.
Yeah, I’m sure it was women that ruined Mozilla and not the same capitalist enshittification that ruins everything.
