Pie charts are hard to fuck up. 49% vs 31% at the time I posted that. Even if your numbers were right that removes any moral high ground you would have. Yeah dude newsflash, people are selfish. But apparently people are also extremely self defeating. Proof is that they vote as a minority for the proud racist. I am sure that quite a few of these black men voted for trump because they too are racist against their own kind.
White women are not a swing voting bloc. In the past 18 presidential elections, they have repeatedly voted for the Republican candidate, breaking only for Lyndon B. Johnson and for Bill Clinton’s second term. As political scientist Jane Junn wrote in 2016, “The elephant in the room is white and female, and she has been standing there since 1952.”
Downvoting me for being correct gets tiresome. But this is precisely how racist this country is. Even if there has been some small shift towards Dems, ya’ll would be way better off figuring out how to convert your sisters rather than worrying about a tiny number of Black Republicans.
White Democrats just prefer to blame us, like you always do. ✌🏾
None of those articles show white women voting blue. The first link shows them voting for Trump, the second one is for all women so the statistic is irrelevant, and the third article still says more white women voted for trump than Clinton…
More white woman voting for trump doesn’t prove that the majority always votes for republicans, which I further disproved down below.
47% isn’t the majority of woman, and that’s the most extreme example I could find.
Sure, I could’ve picked a year with better numbers, but that seemed disingenuous, and why would I need to do that if even the spell of trump doesn’t support the claim he made.
8% didn’t answer and were excluded, why would you automatically assumehalf of them voted for trump?
I’m sorry are you asking about white women voting for Republicans? Did you look at your first link? I suspect you’re conflating “women” with “white women”.
That conflation is really what I’m talking about when I mention the racism of this country. It honestly was not meant to be pointed directly at the people here, I mean that stories abound about how “women” are solidly Democratic as a way to hide that the majority of white women are Republicans.
Edit: But if you’re quibbling that 47% is not a majority when 42% voted for Democrats, you’re just wasting time. If only white women voted, Republicans would win.
I suppose the whole white supremacy thing shouldn’t surprise me, but still, I did not know this. Thanks for being such a firebrand about it here, I guess, haha.
According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate
I read those, and they made me confident enough to refute this statement:
The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.
I picked the most extreme case in his favour on purpose, quite the opposite of you that picked the worst of my three sources for my case…
LOL! Did you even read that link? Good God, man, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Meanwhile, white women seem to have maintained or slightly increased their level of support for Trump compared to 2016, with some 55 percent of them voting for Trump this election cycle and 43 percent voting for Biden according to early exit polls.
That’s Support for trump and reflecting on 2 years. Again, can you provide a source for your claim that they always vote in favour of republicans?
Just do the math yourself for the historic data. Just a hint, black woman shift the results about 3% towards Democrats, generously calculated. And that’s ignoring the higher voter turn out for white woman.
To match your goal post shifting, why do you claim 12% black man vote for trump, when it’s 17% that say they’re going to vote for him?
Goal shifting? You post 4 articles that agree with me and then claim I’m goal shifting. You should be ashamed of yourself. Learn to read and then come back and talk. 🤡
None of the articles agree with your statement. It only shows that even for the tightest race that has been trump, you are still wrong by saying “the majority of white woman always vote Republican”.
That you’re constantly trying to insult me says everything about you that I need to know.
Why do you keep lying? I thought it was an accident, but you’ve got your head stuck in the ground.
You understand that nonwhite women exist, right?
Your article is precisely what I’m talking about: taking great pains NOT to say how the majority of white women voted Republican.
While Biden made gains among college-educated, white women voters who supported him in greater numbers than they did Hillary Clinton four years ago, Black women voters carried him over the finish line.
Your articles are calling you a liar. Not me. (Edit: Well, I am too, come to think of it.)
The first Pew research graph clearly says that 47% of white women voted for Republicans and 45 for Democrats.
The second makes no mention of race. If you choose to reply, repeat after me: “Nonwhite women exist.” Maybe you just forgot about Hispanic women. And Asian. And everyone else.
The third just dismisses exit polling without presenting any data to dispute it.
Edit: My bad, I should have looked at your whole article. It also agrees with me. Sit your lying ass down.
The 52% statistic appears to be one of those myths. According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. T
By my count, we have the Post and Pew Research (And the Times) supporting me, and you have yet to support your claim at all.
Yes everything is zero sum. if I dispute you, I’m racist. Great way to have a fucking conversation. What I disputed had nothing to do with your race in any fucking way. Bye.
FYI I went back and actually downvoted you just because you are intent on being like this instead of just correcting me if I’m wrong.
Obviously I’m the problem for pointing out WHY you’re so incorrect. There really is no way to sugarcoat it enough for you to do any sort of introspection. Once you cool down a bit from how mean I am, maybe you should think about why you thought White women voted for Democrats.
However, this is one of the only articles I’ve seen on it, I don’t think there’s a LOT of focus on it, vs. all the many many posts/articles calling out white MAGAts. It’s still possible to discuss both things.
Saying that this means everyone downvoting you is racist and all the white democrats are blaming blacks for everything “like always” is beyond disingenuous.
I’m not twisting anything. This article is about a thing Obama said, which you’re declaring as racist. You told me I was racist for agreeing with the article, which by the way I literally never did. I just disputed your separate claim. Not every issue is a binary choice between two positions and this is a perfect example of that fallacy.
And of course if you haven’t seen other articles that means they don’t exist.
One might note that I said this country is racist. I called the people down voting me tiresome. The first is an obvious fact. The second is an understandable opinion.
I don’t suppose you remember California Prop 8. But feel free to get your feelings hurt because I mentioned racism rather than actually trying to understand what I said.
No, I’m pointing out the difference and quantity of articles blaming and calling out Black men than one’s exploring why so many white women, specifically, vote for Republicans. Especially considering how much larger their vote is than ours.
Your experience must be much different than mine. Ive seen way, way more articles/posts/comments focusing on the latter than the former. I don’t know of a source that says how many of either exist, though. But it hasn’t seemed even close.
In both cases, they tend to get called out as people who are “largely voting against their own interests”.
Everyone gets their own internet. But consider that I might have been paying more attention to this specific topic than you have?
Do you remember Proposition 8?
And the Post revisits — yet again — the blaming of black churchgoers for the passage of California’s Proposition 8 during the 2008 election cycle. Indeed, even before that November vote, prominent white members of the LGBT community vilified religious African Americans for supposedly voting with a stridently anti-LGBT agenda. Indeed, church attendance has been called the main cause of black voters’ support for Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage.
https://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134257733/the-root-the-misjudged-black-vote-on-gay-marriage
There was SO much vitriol from white Democrats, especially some members of the LGBT community…when it turned out that even if every Black person voted for gay marriage, it still wouldn’t have overturned the white votes against it. In 2020, there were endless articles about the increasing number of Black men voting Republican for a 3% increase.
I’m not saying I’ve done a scientific study on who is writing articles about what. That’s my take and reasonable people may disagree. But it is wild how many people are just straight up lying in this thread to pretend that white women don’t vote for Republicans though.
Anybody with a good grasp of history should understand how quickly and often Black people become the scapegoats for anything that goes wrong.
Not sure when that was true but it is not true now
And once again, the majority of white women vote Republican.
Since we’re being dickheads and singling out groups to blame, here you go. Almost 31% of black men voted for an open racist.
Which is not even 20 points better than white women, which by the way did not “mostly” vote Trump:
You need to learn to read graphs, bud. Whatever that is, it’s not what you’re claiming it is.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
53% of white women voted for Trump.
21% of Black men.
Pie charts are hard to fuck up. 49% vs 31% at the time I posted that. Even if your numbers were right that removes any moral high ground you would have. Yeah dude newsflash, people are selfish. But apparently people are also extremely self defeating. Proof is that they vote as a minority for the proud racist. I am sure that quite a few of these black men voted for trump because they too are racist against their own kind.
Oh yes you told me so and what a fucking nice thing to do right now. Shall I dig up numbers on black men?
You’re kidding, right? LMAO
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/27/white-women-vote-republican-get-used-it-democrats/
Downvoting me for being correct gets tiresome. But this is precisely how racist this country is. Even if there has been some small shift towards Dems, ya’ll would be way better off figuring out how to convert your sisters rather than worrying about a tiny number of Black Republicans.
White Democrats just prefer to blame us, like you always do. ✌🏾
Do you have a source? That’s an opinion without a single source for their claims.
When I look for sources, they all dispute your claim.
A study about this topic: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
Example from the exit polls 2016: https://www.statista.com/statistics/631224/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-gender/
Here’s a times article disputing your claim:
https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/
None of those articles show white women voting blue. The first link shows them voting for Trump, the second one is for all women so the statistic is irrelevant, and the third article still says more white women voted for trump than Clinton…
More white woman voting for trump doesn’t prove that the majority always votes for republicans, which I further disproved down below.
47% isn’t the majority of woman, and that’s the most extreme example I could find.
Sure, I could’ve picked a year with better numbers, but that seemed disingenuous, and why would I need to do that if even the spell of trump doesn’t support the claim he made.
8% didn’t answer and were excluded, why would you automatically assumehalf of them voted for trump?
I’m sorry are you asking about white women voting for Republicans? Did you look at your first link? I suspect you’re conflating “women” with “white women”.
That conflation is really what I’m talking about when I mention the racism of this country. It honestly was not meant to be pointed directly at the people here, I mean that stories abound about how “women” are solidly Democratic as a way to hide that the majority of white women are Republicans.
Edit: But if you’re quibbling that 47% is not a majority when 42% voted for Democrats, you’re just wasting time. If only white women voted, Republicans would win.
I suppose the whole white supremacy thing shouldn’t surprise me, but still, I did not know this. Thanks for being such a firebrand about it here, I guess, haha.
I don’t think you actually read those articles
I read those, and they made me confident enough to refute this statement:
I picked the most extreme case in his favour on purpose, quite the opposite of you that picked the worst of my three sources for my case…
2020 shows a very different picture.
https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/how-women-voters-decided-2020-election-n1247746
Edit: A little bonus
LOL! Did you even read that link? Good God, man, you should be ashamed of yourself.
That’s Support for trump and reflecting on 2 years. Again, can you provide a source for your claim that they always vote in favour of republicans?
Just do the math yourself for the historic data. Just a hint, black woman shift the results about 3% towards Democrats, generously calculated. And that’s ignoring the higher voter turn out for white woman.
To match your goal post shifting, why do you claim 12% black man vote for trump, when it’s 17% that say they’re going to vote for him?
You can’t even say “Nonwhite women exist.”
Goal shifting? You post 4 articles that agree with me and then claim I’m goal shifting. You should be ashamed of yourself. Learn to read and then come back and talk. 🤡
None of the articles agree with your statement. It only shows that even for the tightest race that has been trump, you are still wrong by saying “the majority of white woman always vote Republican”.
That you’re constantly trying to insult me says everything about you that I need to know.
Keep sniffing your own farts and get lost.
Why do you keep lying? I thought it was an accident, but you’ve got your head stuck in the ground.
You understand that nonwhite women exist, right?
Your article is precisely what I’m talking about: taking great pains NOT to say how the majority of white women voted Republican.
I provided you sources that refute your claim that a white woman MAJORITY ALWAYS votes for Republicans.
Now it’s your time to back up your claims before calling me a lier.
What is the percentage of black woman that vote, 10% (Edit: it was 6.5% in 2016) in comparison to all voters?
Even if they all voted dem it wouldn’t shift my numbers over the edge for your claim of always, actually still far from it.
Your articles are calling you a liar. Not me. (Edit: Well, I am too, come to think of it.)
The first Pew research graph clearly says that 47% of white women voted for Republicans and 45 for Democrats.
The second makes no mention of race. If you choose to reply, repeat after me: “Nonwhite women exist.” Maybe you just forgot about Hispanic women. And Asian. And everyone else.
The third just dismisses exit polling without presenting any data to dispute it.
Edit: My bad, I should have looked at your whole article. It also agrees with me. Sit your lying ass down.
By my count, we have the Post and Pew Research (And the Times) supporting me, and you have yet to support your claim at all.
Yes everything is zero sum. if I dispute you, I’m racist. Great way to have a fucking conversation. What I disputed had nothing to do with your race in any fucking way. Bye.
FYI I went back and actually downvoted you just because you are intent on being like this instead of just correcting me if I’m wrong.
Obviously I’m the problem for pointing out WHY you’re so incorrect. There really is no way to sugarcoat it enough for you to do any sort of introspection. Once you cool down a bit from how mean I am, maybe you should think about why you thought White women voted for Democrats.
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Lol. You mean those three bogus articles I already replied to and don’t say what he says it does? 🤡
How about we concentrate on both things?
However, this is one of the only articles I’ve seen on it, I don’t think there’s a LOT of focus on it, vs. all the many many posts/articles calling out white MAGAts. It’s still possible to discuss both things.
Saying that this means everyone downvoting you is racist and all the white democrats are blaming blacks for everything “like always” is beyond disingenuous.
You’re right. Left out one piece though. This commenter is actually saying here that Obama is a huge racist too.
Nah, don’t twist my words. Obama’s a war criminal, not a racist.
I’m not twisting anything. This article is about a thing Obama said, which you’re declaring as racist. You told me I was racist for agreeing with the article, which by the way I literally never did. I just disputed your separate claim. Not every issue is a binary choice between two positions and this is a perfect example of that fallacy.
You’re very funny!
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And of course if you haven’t seen other articles that means they don’t exist.
One might note that I said this country is racist. I called the people down voting me tiresome. The first is an obvious fact. The second is an understandable opinion.
I don’t suppose you remember California Prop 8. But feel free to get your feelings hurt because I mentioned racism rather than actually trying to understand what I said.
OK, are you claiming that there are more articles blaming and calling out black republicans than those calling out white MAGAts?
No, I’m pointing out the difference and quantity of articles blaming and calling out Black men than one’s exploring why so many white women, specifically, vote for Republicans. Especially considering how much larger their vote is than ours.
Your experience must be much different than mine. Ive seen way, way more articles/posts/comments focusing on the latter than the former. I don’t know of a source that says how many of either exist, though. But it hasn’t seemed even close.
In both cases, they tend to get called out as people who are “largely voting against their own interests”.
Everyone gets their own internet. But consider that I might have been paying more attention to this specific topic than you have?
Do you remember Proposition 8?
There was SO much vitriol from white Democrats, especially some members of the LGBT community…when it turned out that even if every Black person voted for gay marriage, it still wouldn’t have overturned the white votes against it. In 2020, there were endless articles about the increasing number of Black men voting Republican for a 3% increase.
I’m not saying I’ve done a scientific study on who is writing articles about what. That’s my take and reasonable people may disagree. But it is wild how many people are just straight up lying in this thread to pretend that white women don’t vote for Republicans though.
Anybody with a good grasp of history should understand how quickly and often Black people become the scapegoats for anything that goes wrong.
I downvoted you and it’s because blanket statements are ignorant. And your entire point is basically “some equals all!”
What vile group of loathed people also do this to support their argument?
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Right. I’ve read through this discussion. They brought receipts. You have nothing. And it seems everyone agrees.
So-
You seem to be the only one here that supports the idea that you’re “informed.”
And this snarky “you’re dumb so I’ll use smaller words bullshit” just sank any chances you had of ever being taken seriously future discussions.
Wait…you mean the “receipts” that prove my point? Ok.
Hilarious! Thanks for that.
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What an odd question. As usual, Democrats won with a diverse voting bloc because the majority of white people voted for Republicans.
It took me about 20 seconds to find that 39% of white women voted for Obama. Why didn’t you research that before commenting?
I really am shocked that “White women vote for Republicans” is somehow surprising, but that drives home the point I’ve been making this whole time.