Errol Morris and Jacob Soboroff discuss their new film, “Separated,” which chronicles the Trump administration’s “Zero Tolerance” immigration policy, which separated more than 4,500 children from their parents between 2017 and 2019. 1,300 children are yet to be reunited due to incomplete information on their families, because “the idea was to avoid records,” says Morris.
This is not the same thing at all. Trump instituted a zero tolerance policy, separating any family caught crossing illegally with the stated intent to dissuade families from making the trip.
Normally (including under Biden) the government separates children from suspected human traffickers or members of gangs that engage in trafficking. This is not to deter families. It’s to protect children - sending a child back to Mexico with a human trafficker is an abhorrent thing to do.
Standard Democrat fare - they’ll perpetuate the worst of the GOP nonsense, fix some of it, and generally be less terrible. Also see: Gitmo.
…but as long as the alternative is the GOP, who will make everything far worse far faster (to the point that they’re likely to end the moribund US democracy next term), you need to get out and vote for them up and down the ballot.
Yes - the Republicans instituted the bad thing, the Democrats perpetuated it. Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.
I’m in favour of Biden acting like a dictator if it’s to do things like restore the rule of law, stop torture, and right wrongs like separating kids from their families for their entire childhood. The kinds of consequences that make dictatorships bad. What’s the value of proceduralism if it not just fails to correct, but actively delivers those outcomes?
Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.
Did you follow the situation? Gitmo wasn’t closed because there was nowhere to transfer the prisoners. It was attempted, numerous times. There were legal battles over this.
Based on the downvotes, it seems we’re indifferent about the principles underpinning the constitution and the entire legal system, the right to a speedy trial and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.
Most of this wasn’t tested in those legal cases - to my knowledge, they didn’t even meaningfully challenge the fact that these detainees were being held by the US on foreign soil to transparently and dishonestly skirt those protections.
Not to defend them too much and I have to admit that I don’t know much about the details which bills were priorities during the 4 months that Obama has house, senate and Presidency.
What I did read a while back was that Obama didn’t know how long his supermajority would last and some of the things he wanted he wanted done but couldn’t once he lost the house.
I’d say the shining city on the hill should have made restoring the rule of law a higher priority, but that’s just my opinion.
It seems the GOP can make things plenty worse in a hell of a hurry, but when it comes to righting the wrongs, it’s all too hard. The Democrat inclination toward civility politics and the status quo over basics like protecting the rule of law and the democracy will be the death of us.
It seems the GOP can make things plenty worse in a hell of a hurry, but when it comes to righting the wrongs, it’s all too hard.
Funny thing that. It’s almost like being destructive is a lot easier than being constructive.
That’s weird because it’s certainly a lot easier and quicker to build an entire city than it is to raze one…oh wait, no, the opposite of what I just said there is obviously true.
It’s a standard good cop, bad cop routine. They’re playing off each other to keep the people perpetually in conflict, and scared. Both sides are convinced that every election means the end of democracy if they lose, and neither side is in a position to demand change, instead desperately trying to cling to the remnants of their former liberties.
I agree with the sentiment in the sense that they have shared class interests, but the GOP wants, and will institute massive, sweeping change for the worse as the Dems deliver a mixed bag in broad defence of the status quo that benefits them.
When was the last time that the Dems undid something that the GOP did? They throw their hands in the air and go “it sucks that the GOP did that! Oh well!”. As far as actually enacting policies, there are few, and they’re far in-between, but they’re considerably better than what the GOP does. The Affordable Care Act comes to mind as a piece of positive legislation, but that was over a decade ago now.
He rolled back changes to the endangered species protections earlier this year for one.
You’re also neglecting to mention that they’re FAR less prone than the GOP to implement horrific, anti-democratic, regressive, fascistic policies than the GOP. While the Democrats are bad, the GOP is horrific - and when there’s only 2 available options and this much of a spread between them, you need to vote to slow the decline.
When the alternative is having those loved ones denied medical care, locked up, or shuffled off to the camps, yes.
You don’t have to be happy about it, but you do have to keep the unabashed fascists out of power. There’s 1,458 other days in the election cycle to convince, cajole and bully the Democrats into being less bad.
Til Biden didn’t do anything to reunite the families and in fact continued separating families: https://immigrantjustice.org/staff/blog/biden-administration-routinely-separates-immigrant-families
This is not the same thing at all. Trump instituted a zero tolerance policy, separating any family caught crossing illegally with the stated intent to dissuade families from making the trip.
Normally (including under Biden) the government separates children from suspected human traffickers or members of gangs that engage in trafficking. This is not to deter families. It’s to protect children - sending a child back to Mexico with a human trafficker is an abhorrent thing to do.
Stop carrying water for Trump.
Standard Democrat fare - they’ll perpetuate the worst of the GOP nonsense, fix some of it, and generally be less terrible. Also see: Gitmo.
…but as long as the alternative is the GOP, who will make everything far worse far faster (to the point that they’re likely to end the moribund US democracy next term), you need to get out and vote for them up and down the ballot.
The democrats are following the law set up by the republicans underneath gwb.
Unless you want biden to act like a dictator, there isnt much he can do considering the state of the senate/house.
Yes - the Republicans instituted the bad thing, the Democrats perpetuated it. Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.
I’m in favour of Biden acting like a dictator if it’s to do things like restore the rule of law, stop torture, and right wrongs like separating kids from their families for their entire childhood. The kinds of consequences that make dictatorships bad. What’s the value of proceduralism if it not just fails to correct, but actively delivers those outcomes?
Neither party has made any effort to eliminate the unconstitutional Patriot Act either, instead, actually ramping it up.
Yep - there’s no shortage of examples - this is why I point to it as the unfortunate norm.
Did you follow the situation? Gitmo wasn’t closed because there was nowhere to transfer the prisoners. It was attempted, numerous times. There were legal battles over this.
The irony.
Would you mind giving a quick explanation of your understanding the rule of law and its relevance to the constitution and US legal system?
Bonus points for extending this explanation to the 5th-8th amendment (particularly 6 and 8).
Based on the downvotes, it seems we’re indifferent about the principles underpinning the constitution and the entire legal system, the right to a speedy trial and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.
Most of this wasn’t tested in those legal cases - to my knowledge, they didn’t even meaningfully challenge the fact that these detainees were being held by the US on foreign soil to transparently and dishonestly skirt those protections.
Not to defend them too much and I have to admit that I don’t know much about the details which bills were priorities during the 4 months that Obama has house, senate and Presidency.
What I did read a while back was that Obama didn’t know how long his supermajority would last and some of the things he wanted he wanted done but couldn’t once he lost the house.
I’d say the shining city on the hill should have made restoring the rule of law a higher priority, but that’s just my opinion.
It seems the GOP can make things plenty worse in a hell of a hurry, but when it comes to righting the wrongs, it’s all too hard. The Democrat inclination toward civility politics and the status quo over basics like protecting the rule of law and the democracy will be the death of us.
Funny thing that. It’s almost like being destructive is a lot easier than being constructive.
That’s weird because it’s certainly a lot easier and quicker to build an entire city than it is to raze one…oh wait, no, the opposite of what I just said there is obviously true.
You mean like destroying the GOP’s atrocious policies, right? No? Then you might need to explain yourself, friend.
Yeah, that’s it. Improvement is really just destroying destruction!
Wow, you really got me there. 😆
After the village has been burnt down, it’s easy to fix because you just burn the ruins!
It’s a standard good cop, bad cop routine. They’re playing off each other to keep the people perpetually in conflict, and scared. Both sides are convinced that every election means the end of democracy if they lose, and neither side is in a position to demand change, instead desperately trying to cling to the remnants of their former liberties.
I agree with the sentiment in the sense that they have shared class interests, but the GOP wants, and will institute massive, sweeping change for the worse as the Dems deliver a mixed bag in broad defence of the status quo that benefits them.
When was the last time that the Dems undid something that the GOP did? They throw their hands in the air and go “it sucks that the GOP did that! Oh well!”. As far as actually enacting policies, there are few, and they’re far in-between, but they’re considerably better than what the GOP does. The Affordable Care Act comes to mind as a piece of positive legislation, but that was over a decade ago now.
He rolled back changes to the endangered species protections earlier this year for one.
You’re also neglecting to mention that they’re FAR less prone than the GOP to implement horrific, anti-democratic, regressive, fascistic policies than the GOP. While the Democrats are bad, the GOP is horrific - and when there’s only 2 available options and this much of a spread between them, you need to vote to slow the decline.
To be able to make change: Who controls the house AND the senate?
Vote blue no matter who! Even when they’re basically holding your queer loved ones hostage.
When the alternative is having those loved ones denied medical care, locked up, or shuffled off to the camps, yes.
You don’t have to be happy about it, but you do have to keep the unabashed fascists out of power. There’s 1,458 other days in the election cycle to convince, cajole and bully the Democrats into being less bad.