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Funny - it’s the same for roughly 50% of Americans too - which is horrifying.
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Edit: sorry it was more than 50% of Americans. Fuck everyone. Goodbye.
Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote
That doesn’t change anything, tbh.
Apparently these people are at least complacent enough to let Trump become president. And that is horrifying.
Yeah, that’s a decision
It’s that people don’t vote
Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.
Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.
Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.
If the Dems won every election on center left policies, the only option left to the Rs would be to do another party switch and go further left. That’s how we get an actual left wing party.
Honestly, I’d be cool with that
We don’t have to wait for Republicans to want to become socialists (what the absolute fuck is this line of thinking?). We can have more then two viable political parties with a more representative electoral system like STAR voting.
How we.vote is.controlled.at the state level as well, so we don’t need a miracle to pass in congress to get these changes. In fact, some states have already passed legislation that replaced First Past The Post voting. Others are voting on it in referendums soon to!
So it’s possible, gets more people involved in the political process, and gets more votes for democrats.
we just need convince the DNC that democracy is a good thing.
Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.
You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.
Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house
Then the people whose votes don’t matter electorally decide that the popular vote isn’t relevant, so they don’t bother.
Hey guys! If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution. And she has the numbers to do that if you guys could just vote.
If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution.
It’s adorable you think the Dems have the spine for that sort of thing.
agreed, Dem centrists havent even reached the concerned letter writing stage over a genocide. Thet are pretty far from any revolution.
My state is already called with 82% for Harris! I’m sure the final won’t be nearly that good but we’re on track to beat our previous score of 69% blue.
We’re doing what we can for popular vote
People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).
It’s always that people don’t vote. Support without votes is empty wind.
I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.
I think that’s certainly part of it. Imo, it’s a few things more also, not that you said it wasn’t anything else too:
Included in what you said, voter suppression. People being bombarded into apathy, has really kicked up a notch. Its identifying who’s susceptible and spamming them like mad with things the data you have on them says will work specifically.
There’s a real core of people in every country thats incredibly easy to wind up with emotive narratives that have enough truthyness to override what might otherwise be sound critical judgment skills.
America’s real problem is that the direct line to those people and their data is owned by a very small group of very wealthy people. On top of that, you have interference from a country that seems to some how be even better than America at foreign election interference and they’re very pro trump.
That’s before you get to the Democrats who, even if they were or weren’t any good, have to sell their soul to the highest bidder just to come close to Republican election spending. The side who spends the most is always the side who wins and a democrat will only ever be given enough money to win if they compromise to an extent that they’re, right or wrong, not different enough for a lot of Americans.
My country’s greatest export is class subjugation. America’s is the manufacture of consent. America was amazing at it even before social media etc. which would be a dictators dream. Now, I’m not saying the people with all the power are as bad as bad as stalin or anything like that. But, with something like that at your disposal, you wouldn’t have to be.
TLDR: America is the ever evolving blueprint to how consent will be manufactured around the world.
Watching America edging fascism is my pastime in between watching my own country edging fascism.
Which country?
I’m currently guessing Poland or Bellarussia
You’ve guessed right — It’s Poland.
Americans are watching this too and wondering what the fuck is wrong with our fellow Americans. This should not even be close.
America is a fascist nation dripping in right wing propaganda.
If we elect Trump a second time, the only people who can express shock are the ones who have never seen a neighbor wave a Confederate flag, brandish a Blue Lives Punisher logo, have FOX News blasting away in the living room, or demand you laugh at their joke full of ethnic slurs.
Trump would make us fascist. We are not currently so.
Ok maybe you’re not a fascist country, but you’ve been dipping your toes in the fascism pool for decades, just waiting for the water to be warm enough.
Aged like milk
I guess you haven’t seen a neighbor wave a Confederate flag, brandish a Blue Lives Punisher logo, have FOX News blasting away in the living room, or demand you laugh at their joke full of ethnic slurs?
I’m really hoping that it isn’t close and that the polls were lying “just to make it interesting”
I have some bad news
But have you thought that Kamala is a Woman?
Maybe don’t turn important political processes into a sports match. Try a little logos with your ethos.
Yeah you’re right it’s us, the ones posting to lemmy, doing that. You nailed it mate
Tacitly, yes.
No one wants to hear it - that’s often a good sign it’s right on the money.
Yeah, I really can’t believe Harris is even a viable option. This should be a Trump landslide. 🫡
Oh hey a cunt out in the wild.
You can’t believe Harris was a viable option because you’re a chud. I can’t believe Harris was a viable option because she’s genocidal imperialism. We are not the same
Agreed.
Disgusting how overrun Lemmy is with blue. Must be like 98% woke in here. Don’t be woke. Wake up, people!! WAKE UP!!!
Why do you behave like a bot?
I see similar remarks thrown out a lot on Lemmy lately, even to very human comments that are just a tad aneurystic or simply one they don’t like. It’s an easy way to destroy someone’s credibility while having to provide zero evidence.
For the sake of proper discussion, this really needs to stop.
I’d say their credibility was never a consideration here. A proper discussion was never going to happen.
As an American:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I second this emotion
I will now cut back on all social media. Lemmy included as I get a depression from what’s happening in the US. What is painfully obvious is that we Europeans must stop fucking around and federate so that we have a fucking chance wedged in between despots and idiots.
The current trend is sadly in the other direction. Fascists are rising to power and the countrys get more separated. More border controllers are happening.
Volt all the way baby!!!
Lets get the european federation on the way!!
Best of luck, wish me good luck on getting out of here before everyone realizes they closed the boarders going OUT as well as IN.
I’m really hoping Harris wins, and we can make politics boring again. I know that if Trump wins, we’ll hear about all the insanity he will put in place for the next four years.
Sure, if he loses, Trump will cry foul, but that doesn’t have the same legs as it would if he wins.
I just want Trump to be some washed out TV “celebrity” and politics to be as entertaining as it always is: not very.
I’m not American and all I hear about right now is American politics. Y’all need to figure your shit out.
Trump is not the problem. Trump is the symptom. The problem is a somewhat powerful minority faction in the US actively pushing to dismantle our democracy. Project 2025 wasn’t written by Trump and didn’t write itself.
Harris’ win is step 1. We then need to push to shore up our democracy and prevent a more cunning trump replacement.
Watch the movie “Bad Faith”. It lays it all out.
Tl;Dr: It’s pretty much entirely the fault of Evangelicals.
Plus he’s proven that having a cult of personality works, and caused a notable shift in the US Republican party.
For all we know, that might be a permanent change, rather than a temporary one.
I’m just hoping that there’s no one with his “charisma.” Thankfully everyone else scummy enough to be in the GOP is a wet rag in comparison to him so far. He may be a piece of shit, but a con man “confidence man” he most definitely is.
If Trump wins, the world will become a way less hospitable place even faster. This is literally the fight for the last resources, and the 1% wants it all. Trump is a Billionaire enabler… nothing else.
sorry to say but if trump is junior partner in a billionaire oligarchy firm then harris is their employee as head of hr who pretends to be our friend but is actually their to keep us in check. she was chose as vp by the lobbyists and since then she has only followed their orders.
At least she won’t strip away any right. Freedom my arse.
If Trump loses, that dissolves the Trump cult and the next Trump that comes along will just be compared to Trump
I wouldn’t count on that. These are cultists who are ready to deify Trump and start sending people to the camps. I don’t think losing an election will change the fundamental cult dynamic, or the hatred and anger that has been organized within the cult. We are stuck with this bullshit probably for the rest of our lives, one way or the other.
next four years
Optimist.
You are out of your mind, my friend and so far removed from reality. What insanity are you even referring to? America needs rehabilitation, and we’re not getting that with Harris, who has presented herself as utterly clueless in just about all her media interactions. It’s absolutely bonkers how the seemingly majority of people here on Lemmy can’t see this. Yikes! Glad to see the blue wall coming down as I type this.
Found the cult member.
Yes. You were looking in the mirror.
Childish response from a clown who thinks a geriatric nepo baby is going to make america great.
Not at all. I think he’s going to fuck it up royally.
I’m just not blind faith attatched to eating the shit of genociding democrats like most of the real clowns on this website.
The democrats could have run a candidate who would have made Trump look foolish, but they didn’t. Instead they ran the bigger fool.
Only the DNC is to blame. People I forgive. The fear is real.
How will Trump, the only other viable candidate, do a better job?
All arguments are expired at this point. Now you’ll just have to witness for yourself how he’ll do a better job.
To answer your question, though, I implore you (and anyone reading this comment) to pick through the trove of Charlie Kirk videos on YouTube with an open mind. 🙏🏽
Your mind would have to be positively cavernous.
Good one.
Americans are also watching in horror FYI
Less than 50% of them
Apparently those Mussolini style of speeches and the other 50 or so political suicides did not really matter as much as you would think. No matter the outcome this being this close I think spells the end of the USA as a rational power.
America really really hates women.
And wierdly is made mostly of women, who must hate woman.
Yep, women alone could have put this election in the bag for harris. That confuses me the most out of all of this…
Once again, we are shown that people (of any gender, race, or group) can and will vote directly counter to their interests.
Well that or they like being “grabbed by the pussy” or whatever the hell. Guess I will not kink shame.
those Mussolini style of speeches
Like Kamala at the DNC saying that the US needs to have the MOST LETHAL army in the world, and the crowd bursting into chants of “USA, USA, USA”?
*of voters
Unfortunately, just shy of 50%
Not really. Voter engagement always swings more right than left, the fact the numbers aren’t that far off means it’s likely more than 50%.
Watch the next Canadian election and be equally dumbfounded / terrified.
At least that election season won’t last more than 7 weeks. Instead of this insane 2 year marathon the US has.
Funny, I was watching tv and had a Canadian station on. Every other commercial break was a Pierre Putinfever ad.
In Canada, Elections campaigns can last a MAXIMUM of 50 days.
Somehow, in the past few years, the laws for campaign ads changed (thanks Crtc!) and they no longer fall into the category of a campaign.
And there are newish election laws that set out a ‘pre campaign period’ that allows further erosion of the campaign time limit restrictions.
That period - anytime after the last election.
Wtf.
2 year marathon is underselling it, I feel like we’ve been in election season since he came down that fucking escalator
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Do you guys have term limits? Why is Justin running for fourth time?
Because he’s delusional, and he’s surrounded himself with sycophants, everyone else in the party who thinks he should’ve taken a cue from Biden and stepped down has been moved to the “backbenches”
To be fair, Justin is a prodigy at convincingly blowing hot air. It’s an essential skill for any politician, and he’s the best at it by far.
Undoubtedly, I just wish we didn’t suffer for it. He knows how we feel about him, but he only cares about how the world sees him.
No term limits.
An election must be called every 5 years at most. Sometimes an election will be a year or two after the last. The PM can call one anytime.
Technically, the PM is never elected. They’re the leader of the party. They don’t have to run. Or win.
Our politics are nowhere near as toxic and disturbing as the US. At least our Conservative party respects election results.
The social media chatter during the convoy was all about how jt stole the election.
We have the crazies.
For now. Morons in Alberta fly Confederate flags, they’re getting fed the same right-wing bullshit. Everyone thought the Republicans would respect the transfer of power until January 6th.
Hey, remember when the liberal party of Canada ran and won on electoral reform? And then just went “nah bro” and didn’t get anything done about it?
Oopsie daisy gee golly isnt governing hard? Not that you would know because youre not in their club and you will never get a chance to govern.
Looks like now you have to vote for the liberals again or yous gets the conservatives again. Ahhh shucks ding dang it. What a conundrum. Quite the pickle ain’t it?
Sound familiar?
Never voted liberal.
Will vote NDP again.
Yeah sounds familiar and I’ll vote Trudeau if it is needed to stop conservatives from getting in power.
Why? We are a multi party nation.
NDP is always pushed aside because people are scared of the cons.
The liberals are just as bad as the cons but in a different way.
Canada’s national identity is basically the results of the work of the NDP. Yet they are never given opportunity.
Look what happened in the States.
The fucking Antichrist now had another 4 years because the dems focused on their own interests instead of the common folk.
The liberals have ignored everyone but their faces in a mirror.
Nothing would have been accomplished if the NDP hadnt pushed them to.
Anyway, welcome to the tribulations.
People are clueless the literal hell they’ve unleashed.
Let’s face reality. The first time that Trump was elected, everyone was surprised, sure.
Now that he will be elected again, there is no more surprise. A lot of Americans still chose Trump after everything he’s said and done and he’s won the popular vote.
The US have been toeing the line of fascism for a while now and a good proportion of their citizens just told us they embraced it, regardless of if they know what that entails or not.
Donald Trump is just a symptom, not the cause. If there wasn’t any fascists, he wouldn’t even be in the race yet here we are.
With that said, if the polls are really close between the Libs and Cons for a majority government, I for sure will vote for the Libs. The Cons are the worst possible majority government we can have.
Otherwise, I am free to choose NPD, as I did in every elections before.
I’m federalist and I’m voting Bloc. That’s how you know shit’s dire.
Ugh make it stop. Watching this past BC election was stressful enough.
The sad part is, as much as I hate PP, I’m so mad at Justin and the libs supporting him for not smartening the fuck up on this. People don’t like you, move the fuck on so that your party has a chance FFS. (But for the love of god don’t let Christy Clark step in lmao) 😭
The national identity of being Canadian over the last while has been every four years wondering if the downstairs neighbors are going to decide to restart up the meth lab they keep tinkering with and bracing for the sounds of domestic violence to resume.
gives side eye in indigenous Glass houses bro
Not saying our shit doesn’t stink but there’s a certain matter of scale to consider. Leastaways we don’t have nukes we can hand over to the psychopath we are looking at voting in.
People in Canada are delusional and think it can’t happen to us too because we’re the polite maple syrup guys. I’ve seen the projections for Pierre Poilievre. We are in 2015 America, where everybody thinks “people won’t vote for that guy, he obviously sucks”, and they aren’t right.
You’ve described exactly how I feel. And of course, the shit down south is affecting us up here, we have our own lunatic conservatives like Doug Ford, Milhouse and Bernier who aspire to be like the GOP.
Conservatism is a worldwide problem and they all borrow each other’s notes. It’s not going to be a fun time for us coming up. I can only hope that when the shit hits the fan down there those up here start rethinking their bullshit.
Hey maybe when their meth lab explodes we’ll also have a swift death :(
Did someone at the Tim Hortons hear that hoo?
This is so. fucked. up. I’m not American (and thank fuck for that), but I’m actually feeling so ill and worried for y’all. I think it’s time for me to block/unfollow any American accounts and news cause shit’s about to get really fucking bleak.
I’m American. I’m so disappointed in my fellow Americans. And I’d wager around half of us feel similarly disgusted by these results.
Just know not all of us voted for this fascist. I have been trying to organize more and get my friends to organize against this. Clearly civil disobedience is needed, so I think organizing and donating to organizations that support anti-fascism would help.
I went on holiday to the USA this summer. We had time, money, had never been and feared/expected the USA to elect Trump again. Looks like I made the right call. Stay strong USA.
I would do the same. Imagine how ill I feel living here and being surrounded by red states. Woohoo
Lol, don’t worry, it’s coming for you regardless
With electoral reform, we could have more then two artificially limited options. We could have competition in our elections. We could be free…
But currently you aren’t and the options are damage control or burning the house down…
- A French person that was in a similar position a few monthes ago.
Great point. If Americans don’t like their options, they should spare a thought for French progressives holding their nose and voting for Macron, over and over and over.
Eeeeeeh I’m not going to compare Macron and Harris. She’s not been a stepping stool for the R again and again and again.
I was referring to our last legislative election (think Congress if you need an American point of reference). It happened last summer and Left wing voters had to make a coalition up to the socialist party and the greens which are our centrist parties.
She’s not been a stepping stool for the R again and again and again.
She’s campaigning with Mike Bloomberg, Jeff Flake, and Liz Cheney. I’ve seen nothing to suggest she’s learned from Clinton or Obama in this regard.
French progressives
voting for Macron
Uh… LFI had wide popular support to the point of being the most voted, what on Earth are you talking about?
Well, how well did the damage control strategy go lmao
The strategy went well as in the NFP (leftwing coalition) got a plurality of the votes.
The issue is that the ruling party (En Marche) said fuck it and allied with the fascists.
I meant in the US, sorry
Well not good either ^^`
This trend of backsliding democracies truly is terrifying.
We will never have election reform that represents the will of the people, because the capitalist class, which has run this country since its inception through bourgeois revolution, will never allow “tyranny of the majority” reforms. They would sooner unleash fascism upon us than allow real democracy.
I think the first, most realistic progress we can make is to get a few more states to sign the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. It’s a agreement between state legislature to assign their electors based on the national popular vote, and it automatically goes into effect once enough states have signed on to guarantee 270 electoral votes.
It bypasses the need to pass a constitutional ammendment that is functionally impossible to get through.
And it’s within grasp. Enough states have already signed on for 209 of the 270 threshold (Maine just signed it into law in April), with several states pending for another 50 (e.g. Nevada is waiting on governor’ssignature).
We’re shockingly close to killing the electoral college, and nobody seems to know about it.
Trump looks poised to win the popular vote as well. The system doesn’t help but the problem is ultimately us, not the system. We have failed culturally, socially, spiritually, emotionally, however else you want to describe it. Look the failure in the face and prepare yourself to deal with it for the rest of your life.
Don’t romanticise it. You’ll still have a small number of options in total, and you’ll be unlikely to shake the dominance of the 2 major parties. You’ll still worry about “wasting” your vote on a party who will get low representation. You’ll still be disappointed when the centre left don’t do anything meaningful. You’ll still be powerless when the right hold government. You’ll still have trouble finding someone you want to vote for.
Yes it’s better, but it’s not Paradise.
Source: Lived in New Zealand under MMP for five electoral cycles.
As a NZr, I agree. But it does make smaller third parties viable. In NZ, Greens, ACT and NZ First are all third parties where a vote is not wasted if their block wins
one can dream
His IQ is currently equal to his amount of felonies
Edit: The fact that this comment has exactly 37 upvotes makes it even funnier
So far. He may become a genius over the next year
That’s being rather generous…
You’re right
America is fucked. Ukraine is fucked. The world is fucked. The only glimmer of hope is Trump drops dead before his term is out.
The issue is that the heritage foundation has put JD vanced to take over for Trump when he dies
Which, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, is actually scarier than just Trump. Both are nightmares, Vance is young and wants to make tech CEOs kings
Of course. He’s bankrolled by Peter Thiel and they make no false claims about it. Dude is a vindictive brat with billions to his name and absolutely 0 shame. He bankrolled Hulk Hogan’s Gawker lawsuit over a grudge.
That’s the seriously fucked part of all of this… Trump will run his 4 years because the worst of us never die, then the DNC runs the resurrected corpse of Regan to court the moderate vote again, loses in another landslide to Vance, Vance gets 2 terms… By then Musk runs some fiefdom, Bezos runs his own, Zuckerberg run his Hawaiian fiefdom… After that if I’m not dead I’ll make sure I am.
He’s still there today whispering in Trump’s ear. At least if Trump were out of the picture it might derail the presidency and allow some of the weirder weirdos & grifters to be shown the the door. It may also reset republicanism to some degree since they don’t have to care what some narcissist dickhead thinks at any given moment or pursue his vendettas. Also it would be karmic.
Yeah its one thing if youre a trump supporter because then you are just a sheep but i actually dont understand whats going on in the head if those who have to think about the decision
Let’s not forget the two impeachments too
