A Russian court in Yekaterinburg has upheld the 12-year prison sentence handed down in August to dual U.S.-Russian citizen Ksenia Karelina for treason after she was found guilty of transferring $51 to a Ukrainian aid charity in early 2022.
Yeah it’s so simple to just live wherever you want
It is when you hold multiple citizenships. You tend to have more options if you’re considered native in multiple countries. You should have read the article.
Excuse me, presumptuous one. I did read the article and I know she has dual citizenship.
I was not talking solely about visas, though that is obviously the limit of your imagination.
There are also family, professional opportunities, and cultural ties to consider.
In the article it actually says she moved to the US in 2015. It’s unclear why she was there to be charged. Visiting family perhaps? Oh well then I guess she deserves it for having the audacious stupidity to visit her parents in a shitty country where shitty things happen?
How bout Ukranian families, professional opportunities and cultural ties? Fuck those amarite. All Russians should suffer from Putins assault on a sovereign nation, especially those who still go there and contribute to the economy of war.
It’s not fair, but it’s not sad. “For only 51$” surprises nobody who knows Russia.
Wow, you are not only barking up the wrong tree, you dragged your entire bed up to the top of the wrong tree so you could shit it there.
No, fool, I don’t shill for Russia, ever, even a little. I have a nickel’s worth of compassion for someone who still has a life back in some corrupt old country, because that’s my father. He left that shitty country. It doesn’t mean he never visited again, because he has so much family there.
I’m just going to let your first massively downvoted comment stand. Your whole “dipshit got what she deserved” comment is stupid enough without me having to put on gloves to handle this one:
Your contention that Russian civilians should be punished for the acts of their government is ghoulish and evil, and your repeated attempts to clothe yourself in the righteousness of the Ukrainian cause is unconvincing and frankly an insult to Ukrainians, including children.
I never said Russia should keep doing this, or that it was fair to her.
I’m not clothing myself in anything, for every one of these stories, there are a million Ukranian ones. I’m also not speaking for Ukranian people (unlike you)
Visiting family perhaps? Oh well then I guess she deserves it for having the audacious stupidity to visit her parents in a shitty country where shitty things happen?
Honestly… Yes. You left the country. Obtained a second citizenship. And donated to the opposing side of an active war. If you have something in between your ears you stay out of the country. I’m not here to victim blame at all. If you need to see family, I get it… but Zoom exists. You can’t argue
There are also family, professional opportunities, and cultural ties to consider.
While in the very next sentence identifying that she did exactly that and moved anyway.
LOL you’re absolutely correct. I cannot argue with someone who clearly has no real life experience of their own to provide an actual frame of reference, and will just pop off fast solutions to things like the deep human need for connection like “use zoom, duh.”
and will just pop off fast solutions to things like the deep human need for connection like “use zoom, duh.”
There are other needs as well. Like not being imprisoned. And thinking about why you fled from the country in the first place and searched for additional citizenship might have helped make such a decision to not find yourself in such a situation.
I love that you glossed over the actual argument though! All while assuming that you were right. You don’t know why she was there… But assuming that telecommunication wouldn’t have been sufficient in order to maintain her freedom… That’s just silly.
How dare she visit family or anything else that might take her there. Really every Russian should leave forever one-way at their earliest opportunity or they get what they deserve?
They can do whatever they want, all I said is I ain’t gonna be sad (or surprised) about it. Don’t want to get shoved into prison for no reason? Don’t go to Russia.
Plenty of Ukranians risking their life to visit family, where the infrastructure still exists to do it at least. Fuck Russia
She did more against Russia by picking herself up and moving away from it than you will ever do with your “fuck Russia” comments online. Your derision for her is as impotent and pitiful as your hatred of her birth country. You’re never going to “fuck Russia” or anything else with this small dick energy.
Ad hominems of course tells us how many arguments you have left. She left Russia in 2015, way before the full scale invasion. Going back is having her cake and eating it.
I also haven’t claimed that I am somehow a militant against russia. This is just like, my opinion man. I haven’t attacked you personally for yours.
Yeah it’s so simple to just live wherever you want, especially this magical fantasy land where shitty things don’t happen.
It is when you hold multiple citizenships. You tend to have more options if you’re considered native in multiple countries. You should have read the article.
Excuse me, presumptuous one. I did read the article and I know she has dual citizenship.
I was not talking solely about visas, though that is obviously the limit of your imagination.
There are also family, professional opportunities, and cultural ties to consider.
In the article it actually says she moved to the US in 2015. It’s unclear why she was there to be charged. Visiting family perhaps? Oh well then I guess she deserves it for having the audacious stupidity to visit her parents in a shitty country where shitty things happen?
Shill for Russia much?
How bout Ukranian families, professional opportunities and cultural ties? Fuck those amarite. All Russians should suffer from Putins assault on a sovereign nation, especially those who still go there and contribute to the economy of war.
It’s not fair, but it’s not sad. “For only 51$” surprises nobody who knows Russia.
Wow, you are not only barking up the wrong tree, you dragged your entire bed up to the top of the wrong tree so you could shit it there.
No, fool, I don’t shill for Russia, ever, even a little. I have a nickel’s worth of compassion for someone who still has a life back in some corrupt old country, because that’s my father. He left that shitty country. It doesn’t mean he never visited again, because he has so much family there.
I’m just going to let your first massively downvoted comment stand. Your whole “dipshit got what she deserved” comment is stupid enough without me having to put on gloves to handle this one:
Child, grow up.
Unlike Ukranian children amarite
Your contention that Russian civilians should be punished for the acts of their government is ghoulish and evil, and your repeated attempts to clothe yourself in the righteousness of the Ukrainian cause is unconvincing and frankly an insult to Ukrainians, including children.
I never said Russia should keep doing this, or that it was fair to her.
I’m not clothing myself in anything, for every one of these stories, there are a million Ukranian ones. I’m also not speaking for Ukranian people (unlike you)
Gee is there anything you are doing?
Honestly… Yes. You left the country. Obtained a second citizenship. And donated to the opposing side of an active war. If you have something in between your ears you stay out of the country. I’m not here to victim blame at all. If you need to see family, I get it… but Zoom exists. You can’t argue
While in the very next sentence identifying that she did exactly that and moved anyway.
LOL you’re absolutely correct. I cannot argue with someone who clearly has no real life experience of their own to provide an actual frame of reference, and will just pop off fast solutions to things like the deep human need for connection like “use zoom, duh.”
So I won’t try.
There are other needs as well. Like not being imprisoned. And thinking about why you fled from the country in the first place and searched for additional citizenship might have helped make such a decision to not find yourself in such a situation.
I love that you glossed over the actual argument though! All while assuming that you were right. You don’t know why she was there… But assuming that telecommunication wouldn’t have been sufficient in order to maintain her freedom… That’s just silly.
Article literally says she has US citizenship. Should have stayed out of Russia.
The land without warmongering dictators isn’t imaginary in this case. And let’s not pretend this is just any shitty thing that happens in any country.
How dare she visit family or anything else that might take her there. Really every Russian should leave forever one-way at their earliest opportunity or they get what they deserve?
They can do whatever they want, all I said is I ain’t gonna be sad (or surprised) about it. Don’t want to get shoved into prison for no reason? Don’t go to Russia.
Plenty of Ukranians risking their life to visit family, where the infrastructure still exists to do it at least. Fuck Russia
Yeah man, I picked up on your total lack of compassion for this person whose life was just ruined by the Russia you so hate.
She had a choice. This isnt a protester inside Russia, and Russia didnt go get her in another country like China does. No compassion.
She did more against Russia by picking herself up and moving away from it than you will ever do with your “fuck Russia” comments online. Your derision for her is as impotent and pitiful as your hatred of her birth country. You’re never going to “fuck Russia” or anything else with this small dick energy.
Ad hominems of course tells us how many arguments you have left. She left Russia in 2015, way before the full scale invasion. Going back is having her cake and eating it.
I also haven’t claimed that I am somehow a militant against russia. This is just like, my opinion man. I haven’t attacked you personally for yours.
Calling me a Russian shill was an ad hominem, and an attack. The stupidity is getting quite thick here.