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Trump was right about one thing, we are a nation in decline, but it’s not for the reasons he’s claiming.
Democracies grant immense power to the electorate. Including the power of suicide. Democratic systems are inherently capable of ending themselves because ultimately their survival depends on enough people believing in the system and holding the integrity of the system to be more important than any particular democratic outcome. That is lost in the US. Most voters don’t care.
That truth alone makes a decent argument for US being in decline. It will take a long time , but it’s beginning.
The US isn’t a democracy though, it is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, where every election we get to select which group of oppressors will wield state power against us until the next one.
Also decline is caused by anticolonial resistance and the logic of capitalism breaking down. I would suggest reading Lenin’s “imperialism” and Fanon’s “wretched of the earth”
The US isn’t a democracy though, it is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, where every election we get to select which group of oppressors will wield state power against us until the next one.
Yes that truly one of the opinions of all time.
It’s a better opinion than “US in decline because TOO MUCH democracy”.
Lmao. You just witnessed this last election Dems suing third parties to stop them from running, Dems not even pretending to hold a primary, republicans saying its the last election ever.
But yeah, dude, you’re bang on the money. Less democracy is what’s gonna solve it.
It’s a better opinion than “US in decline because TOO MUCH democracy”.
Literally no one said that. Read better. It’s not the amount of democracy that was the problem, it was the actual choices made.
Lmao. You just witnessed this last election Dems suing third parties to stop them from running, Dems not even pretending to hold a primary, republicans saying its the last election ever.
What did the voters who actually voted for Trump choose?
Corrupt democracies should be suicided. Electoral college, first past the post, gerrymandering, partisant suprene court, gridlocked house and senate, bankers running money, wallstreet in charge of the commons, and that’s just for starters
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It is difficult to get Drezner to understand that American exceptionalism is already dead when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
Why does Will E Coyote look so much like a Swastika here
End? It was always a myth?
Right? But American mainstream media would not admit that.
The End of American Exceptionalism
But not the end of them claiming it regardless of the reality.
Then again, their claims of being the bestest ever at everything have been false for a very long time already.
“I live in the best country on the planet!”
“Have you ever been to another country?”
“Well, no. But why would I do that when I’m already in the best country!”
This doesn’t apply to just the US…
Traveling does wonders to people. Shame not a lot of people can afford it and even those who can not all travel.
You have a point. After I wrote it I thought of 2 things. Firstly, even those that are lucky enough to travel will never travel everywhere. So, how can they claim the best without having seen all possibilities? Secondly, there are ways to learn and /or experience things without being physically present, like read about it in a book, or watch a documentary. That counts for something.
Now I think about it, I could have changed it to:
"I live in the best country on the planet!”
“Really? How do you know? How do you measure that? What evidence do you have to back that up?”
But, it would probably go all downhill from there, as the original one inevitably would…😆
Maybe even the start of Americans engaging with reality, I’m not holding my breath though.
Even though we will admittedly never engage with reality, you may still consider holding your breath around us to be prudent. We smell awful from all the obesity.
They aren’t exceptional. They’re just like Russia.
I’d argue we’re a lot more like the British empire in their glory days- exporting authoritarianism, subjugation, and hate globally, for as long as it serves our material benefit.
We learned from the best 🤷♂️
We are not just like Russia.
We aren’t exceptional though, you got that right. America hasn’t been exceptional in decades.
Oh, it has… just not in the ways anyone would desire to be considered exceptional.
Given that Russia has a competent government and isn’t on a verge of a civil war, not sure in what way America is like Russia.
You call competent a government that pulled the “special military operation” and led hundreds of thousands of its people into death for not much of anything? You must be trolling.
Yeah, I call a government that defeated NATO in Ukraine and manged to grow the economy despite the sanctions competent.
So not trolling, alright. Sounds to me like you consider them competent in what they did well while not subtracting what they didn’t. Let me contrast the Russian government with something that to me looks much more competent - the Chinese government.
China is indeed more competent, however we were comparing Russia to the US here. There’s is no metric by which you could say the US is better governed or more politically stable than Russia at the moment.
This argument is dependent on Putin being immortal.
Not sure what you mean by that. Putin doesn’t run Russia single handedly like he’s playing civ or something. Absolutely incredible that anybody could think that the entire Russian government hinges on Putin.
I never implied anything about the US.
The whole context of this discussion was me saying that Russia is more competently run than the US. 🤷
Typical of American exceptionalism to stand other country on the verge of existential crisis and when they react call that “for not much of anything”
There is a chance that Trump will inadvertently weaken the US long term, but nothing is certain so until it happens I am not getting my hopes up. The article though is neocon propaganda, they don’t even mention the genocide in Gaza or pogroms in the West Bank.
There is a chance that Trump will inadvertently weaken the US long term
He already did that the first time.
This time he’ll double (or triple) down on that.
We can really only hope.
I view FA as an arena for American political elite to build legitimacy for their ideas.
That, combined with an expected surge of corrupt foreign policy practices, will leave the United States looking like a garden-variety great power.
I’m surprised to hear such strong language out of FA. I normally expect boring policy-style language.
He believes that the U.S.-created liberal international order has, over time, stacked the deck against the United States.
I’ve perceived that things have never been better for American international order than under Trump/Biden.
he will likely use Schedule F—a measure to reclassify civil service positions as political slots—to force them out.
Interesting precedence if so. Having career civil servants keeps things from changing too fast, and turning them political could enable instability. I’m curious how this interacts with the Hatch act.
The first is the inevitable corruption that will compromise U.S. policies.
I’m surprised at the emphasis on “corruption” language, especially in FA. This type of language gets people labeled “troublemaker” as Chomsky might say.
I’ve perceived that things have never been better for American international order than under Trump/Biden.
The last few cycles have been a weird time for NATO, as the escalating Russian aggression revitalised the alliance, but the unreliability of Trump vastly diminished the status of the US. Europe is now actively trying to get out of the military subordinate role.
The last few cycles have been a weird time for NATO, as the escalating Russian aggression revitalised the alliance, but the unreliability of Trump vastly diminished the status of the US
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Europe is now actively trying to get out of the military subordinate role.
Europe has been trying to get out of this role since WWII. I view that they were forced into this role post-WWII with American occupation. I also see that American power also led to European decolonization through the Atlantic Charter e.g. Vietnam and Asia, Africa, and controversially, India.
I view that America maintains Europe’s subordinate role, both militarily and economically, through military influence, as discussed by prior NATO Commander Haig in 2002:
… Q – Why is the United States still stationing 70,000 troops in Germany?
A – A lot of good reasons for that. This presence is the basis for our influence in the European region and for the cooperation of allied nations whose security it enhances. A lot of people forget it is also the bona fide of our economic success. The presence of U.S. troops keeps European markets open to us. If those troops weren’t there, those markets would probably be more difficult to access.
Q – I didn’t forget. I just didn’t know that if the United States didn’t maintain 70,000 troops in Germany, European markets might be closed to American goods and services.
A – On occasion, even with our presence, we have confronted protectionism in a number of industries, such as automotive and aerospace. In addition to economic benefits derived from our presence in Europe, there is perhaps an even more important diplomatic and political benefit.
Q – But the United States is not defending Europe against anything anymore. …
The alliance may have been revitalized, but have the member countries been revitalized? You must have your nose buried in stock market-based numbers rather than quality of life, true consumer price inflation, housing costs, and personal debts. The western world has greatly burdened itself in the hopes of bringing down the Russian standard of living, and it sure isn’t conclusive that is working, and it’s undeniable it has failed to achieve the political goals NATO countries shot for, especially weakening the great necromancer Putler himself.
IDK what your point is. NATO being revitalized is not a “good thing” that makes us live nicer. NATO and rearmament is a fever, Russian imperialism is the sickness.
NATO is not an economic alliance, it’s a military one. The sole goal of NATO is keeping Russian soldiers outside NATO members’ territories. And as someone whose home country has suffered immensely under Russian occupation, seeing Russia draw troops down from the Finnish border right after they joined the alliance makes me happy that we are NATO members.
Europe wouldn’t be doing better outside NATO, it has no bearing on economics. Trade disruption with Russia certainly has to do with it, but ironically that’s because during the 00s and the 10s Europe extended a friendly hand to Russia, and got into deep trading entanglements with it, which Russia tried to exploit to force geopolitical concessions.
You are contradicting yourself LOL, you say NATO has no bearing on the European economic situation while admitting in the next breath it has huge implications for energy prices due to trade with Russia. Europeans have been debating their quality of life drop, and your countrymen have been calling me blind drunk screaming about how they have no money and they can’t decide if they hate the Russians or you anti-Russian zealots more. You are simply unaffected by the actual damage because you are economically insulated and 100% of your political leanings are based on oversocialization. They have no connection to material conditions in Europe. Basically cope and go buy one of your state manufactured vodka seltzers you underwear drunk idiot.
What the actual heck are you talking about?
NATO has no bearing on the European economic situation while admitting in the next breath it has huge implications for energy prices due to trade with Russia.
Energy prices went up since Russia is conducting a military invasion on the country transiting said energy, and as a result of EU/US sanctions that are the result of war crimes, crimes of aggression and genocide. The only thing NATO does currently is ensure that can’t spill over to more countries being attacked. NATO didn’t do jack shit yet. Individual countries, and the EU, did.
and your countrymen have been calling me blind drunk screaming about how they have no money
Our countrymen should look for their money at Hatvanpuszta or Mészáros & Mészáros. Russian puppet Orbán stole all the money and the future of the country, Russian puppet Orbán made it impossible to have children, get sick, or die, with dignity, he is responsible for producing the highest real estate inflation, the highest food inflation in the EU, and it’s all because he’d rather take Russian cock to his throat than have less corruption kickbacks.
A ruszkik meg igazán hazamehetnének végre és foglalkozhatnának a saját országukkal ahelyett hogy mongol módjára fosztogatnak és erőszakolnak nyugatra.
LOL I like how you skipped over the cause and effect of the energy prices: the sanctions and Nord Stream bombing. You just started venting your Orbán Derangement Syndome.
I won’t try to press you to use logic regarding how US energy companies benefit. You’re clearly too emotional to process it. European racists are the most pathetic.
Blackrock will take the world you intended for your children from you. Glad you learned to treat it as a positive thing.
the sanctions and Nord Stream bombing.
I wonder what might have caused that. Not a genocidal fascist Russia, right?
I won’t try to press you to use logic regarding how US energy companies benefit.
It’s a shit situation, but still better than genocide.
You just started venting your Orbán Derangement Syndome.
Nice to see you using the same lingo as the American fascists, you know the ones that support an additional genocide in the Middle East as well as the one Russia is perpetrating.
Blackrock will take the world you intended for your children from you.
Thanks, but Orbán already took it and sold most of it to Russians. Not much left to steal anymore.
Exactly what pootin wants
