Here’s a copy and paste from the 1933 article:
Rise in Stocks Reflects Confidence He Will Not Disrupt Nation’s Affairs
Berlin is settling down to pass judgment on political developments. Politicians, economists and bankers declare there is usually wide discrepancy between the speeches of opposition politicians and the actions of the group when it gains power.
Consequently, it is not believed that Hitler will accomplish a change in the constitution or that [Reich Minister of Economics Alfred] Hugenberg will bring about a general reduction of interest rates. The government wants to obtain an adjournment of the Reichstag for several months, but it is questionable whether the Centre [Party] will approve of such action.
God dammit history
…the worst impulses of Hitler and the Nazis could be “controlled” or “tamed” once they bore responsibility for leading the national government (rather than criticizing others’ administration of it).
I’m sure it’ll be different this time around /s
If anyone asks how the Germans could elect a wannabe autocrat populist and how many people could ignore clear signs of genocide going on.
Now you know.
Edit
A lot of people commenting about either my observation not being astute enough, or misinterpreting history in one way or another.
My observation is solely about and how these things happen it’s not very conspirational nor institutional, just weaponized anxiety, populism, polarity and apathy.
The particular brand of ideology, or the identity of the perpetrator does very little for the equation. People being selfish and wilfully ignorant as long as they are pandered to.
We’ve been watching fascists pile into legislatures from Russia to the UK for decades. It’s cute to make everything about Hitler, but this isn’t an event unique to '33.
- Fearmomgering over migrants
- Secular violence encouraged by colonial powers
- Stagnating global economies and bottlenecks in critical resources
- Anti-colonialism in the third world
- Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party
You can find historical parallels in the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Irish Troubles, Modi’s rise in India and the Nixon/Reagan reaction to the US civil rights movement, the military coups in Guatemala and El Salvador, the dictatorships of South Korea and South Vietnam…
There’s deeper historical roots to Trumpism than just “America made another oopsie cause we’re dumb-dumbs”
Sure yeah.
The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator. And now, almost 100 years later, it’s looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well. I don’t know about you, but I’m generally slightly afraid, and I’m not even American.
The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator.
He’s the Big Historical National Enemy. The one that we famously ground into humiliating defeat.
it’s looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well
Trump didn’t pattern his campaign after Hitler. He patterned it after Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan.
Trump didn’t pattern his campaign after Hitler. He patterned it after Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan.
Oh his campaign was more like former American presidents, instead of one of a German Chancellor from the 1930’s? Huh. This day is full of surprises.
His presidency was more like these prior administrations as well.
Trump is not a unique aberration in American politics. He’s a continuation of a historical trend.
Trump is not a unique aberration in American politics
I don’t know man, I fail to recall anyone else being as spectaculary unpredictable and insane, who’s made objective truth a concept of the past.
He’s just completely fucking insane, genuinely. His speech is weird gibberish and he can’t finish a single fucking thought.
You must have a good reason for having such a high criteria for what constitutes “an aberration”.
I fail to recall anyone else being as spectaculary unpredictable and insane
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
The madman theory is a political theory commonly associated with the foreign policy of U.S. President Richard Nixon and his administration, who tried to make the leaders of hostile Communist Bloc nations think Nixon was irrational and volatile so that they would avoid provoking the U.S. in fear of an unpredictable response
Literally Nixonian foreign policy to behave unpredictable and insane.
Trump didn’t pattern his campaign after Hitler. He patterned it after Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan.
but hitler is provocative, it gets people going
That’s why you can have a Democrat running around hand in hand with Liz Cheney while the corporate media cheers.
Hitler is easy to fixate on as a bad guy because he’s an evil dead foreigner. Cheney is harder
Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party
Well, they quite literally could have prevented Hitler’s rise to power, but Stalin decided it was more beneficial to the USSR for the Communists to support the Nazis against the Liberals. Why? Hmmmm… Guess we’ll never know?
Well, they quite literally could have prevented Hitler’s rise to power
By all voting for Hindeburg, the guy who ordered the police to assassinate Rosa Luxembourg?
Stalin decided it was more beneficial to the USSR for the Communists to support the Nazis
Hindenburg thought it was more beneficial for the Conservatives to support the Nazis.
Stalin was the Boogeyman Hindenburg used to justify a fascist government. Purging the Nazis in 1933 was as important to him as it was in 1919.
Twice, Hindenburg sided with fascists to demolish any kind of civil socialist reform in his country. Twice “evil Russians” got the blame for a domestic slaughter.
The communists literally sided with the fascists to also prevent any kind of socialist/social-democratic/“liberal” reform in the country.
The communists literally sided with the fascists
The fascists were barely sided with themselves, given all the backstabbing. It took the conservative party to elevate the Nazis to the Chancellorship.
Yes, but the communists STILL sided with the fascists against the socialists/socdems.
against the socialists/socdems
The SDP purged its ranks of Communists to appease Hindenburg’s State Police. You can’t side with a party that’s trying to rat you out to the cops and get you killed.
Which, again, brings us to the conservatives who held power by playing sides off each other until they misplayed their hands.
The path to fascism was paved back in 1919, when the original Communists were rounded up and executed by the conservatives.
You can get away with anything when 99% of the voters don’t actually care about the quality of the people we elect, and that’s the US.
No, we don’t know. It makes less sense than it ever did seeing it play out in real time.
Culture of obedience within a society coupled with lack of critical thinking.
Also, genocide is good when the Israeli Jew does it!
Don’t be an anti Semite 🤡
First of all, fuck Israel, it’s a disgusting, genocidal, colonialist state. But with that said, unironically, your message comes across as quite anti-semitic, because you went to some deliberate effort to write “Israeli Jew”. Why? There are loads of jews in Israel who are our allies in opposing the Israeli state’s genocide.
Israel is genocidal and is itself anti-semitic. Conflating Israel with judaism is anti-semitic, and more than anyone else, we should all know better than to do this right-wing dog whistle shit.
Turning up the controversy to 11: there is a double standard in people blaming other religions for everything but not allowing criticism of Judaism. Even on Lemmy people will gladly insult Islam and Christianity but criticism of Judaism is a taboo.
This is a good recent video pointing out how far the double standard goes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taIyXzFx2oo
I do agree that there is no real benefit to using the term Judaism for Israel. Zionism has created their own subsect which is a nation-state movement rather than a religion.
That’s interesting, I wonder if there’s some historical precedent that may make people slightly more concerned about anti-semitism rather than anti-christian sentiment.
Fuck all religions, criticise Judaism all you want. But if you start talking about jews (or Christians or Muslims) as if they’re some sort of monolithic group, you’re being an asshole.
Edit: Holy shit, I watched the first 10 seconds of that video and the guest said “Jewish supremacy is the biggest threat to the world today”, which is one of the most overt, outrageously anti-semitic statements I’ve heard in the 21st century. Whoever that guy is, he should not be allowed on TV or YouTube, holy fuck.
Okay now continue watching the rest of the video and do keep that outrage you had about Judaism in the back of your mind.
See if you have that same outrage when guests on Piers say similar things about other religions as the presenter shows examples of.
There’s no way I’m watching any more of that absolutely disgusting bile. I hate Piers Morgan, he’s a horrible, racist, piece of shit. I’m just as outraged about people being islamophobic. People being islamophobic doesn’t mean that we should accept anti-semitism, what kind of backwards argument is this?
It is not the Piers podcast, this is a person covering the Piers’ podcast engaging in the same level of Islamophobia as Dan Bilzerian engages in Antisemitism.
Most mainstream media engages in the same level of Islamophobia as what Dan does for antisemitism. People are just so accustomed to it they do not notice how brainwashed they have become into accepting it.
Only when the word Muslim is replaced with Jew everyone suddenly loses their mind.
I wonder if there’s some historical precedent that may make people slightly more concerned about anti-semitism rather than anti-christian sentiment.
Yes, genocide only happened to the jews, no other group has ever suffered either…
The entire WW2 history is not being used to excuse genocide conducted by Israeli jews.
People are dying but you are buthurt because criminals being named lol
You know what really, really, really sucks?
All of this. Take the titles and names of the religions away. Make up new words. Call them all whatever you want to and you know what they all have in common?
Their humanity.
Any of us would be animals under the right circumstances. All of history says exactly that.
I wish we could find a way to do away with all of it.
Even then though, atheist states have committed mass murder. It isn’t just religion, it’s humanity. Isn’t that sad?
If we erased all of our history tomorrow and gave humans a damn Nintendo and a handful of cartridges, we’d be killing each other over Mario bros in 100 years.
I really wish I was just sitting in a dirty house in West Virginia, breathing exclusively from my mouth, saliva dripping at my feet. I wish I didn’t see humanity for what it is.
What really, really sucks is that we could drop this crap and get along if we were truly intelligent. We aren’t. We’re herds of bloodthirsty animals making things up so we can FEEL like we have meaning.
Oh well.
Yeah i never get this clown responses when i shit on islam and catholic church being pedophiles… but god forbid country of war criminals get closed for what they are.
Are we supposed to ignore that that this genocide is ethnic/religious flavour to it?
your message comes across as quite anti-semitic, because you went to some deliberate effort to write “Israeli Jew”. Why?
It’s a self-identified religious apartheid state. You say it for the same reason you’d talk about Irish Catholics versus Irish Protestants, or Hinduvistas, or Radical Islamic Terrorists.
The Arabs aren’t the ones bombing Gaza, blockading the ports to induce a famine, and systematically raping captives.
- The term Israeli Jews is used by the Israeli government. Because there are more than 2 million “Israeli Arabs” who live as third class citizens. Though they prefer to identify as Palestinians, their legal status is distinct from other Palestinians who are stateless and live under a military occupation in the West Bank or under siege in the Gaza Strip.
- Israeli polls show the majority of Israeli Jews support the genocide. In the US I think the support was 60% for the genocide among US Jews. This doesn’t deny that we have Jewish allies but they are clearly less than half the global Jewish population.
- I agree we shouldn’t conflate any nation state with a religion. Zionism itself started among Christians who wanted to bring back Jesus. Zionism then evolved to become a way for Europe to get rid of its Jews and colonize the Middle East.
genocide is being perpetrated by Israeli jews and israeli propaganda network comes down to any criticism of genocide as antisemitism.
i am mocking this clown set up…
wtf is u talking about again?
Why can’t you just say “genocide is being perpetuated by Israel”, why do you have to make it about jews?
because that is a more specific factually correct description of who is committing the genocide.
i doubt Israeli Arabs or muslims are doing much of anything to help here but who who bootlickers are everywhere. but all of the top brass are israeli jews, people in IDF are israeli jews gloating on social media about it. are these people are above being criticized? There is a huge religious/ethnic angle to this whole crime.
totally false, it is the state itself that is conducting the genocide. this is like saying that americans are responsible for the genocide because they voted for trump or harris
americans are responsible for the genocide because they voted for trump or harris
Well, aren’t they? If a whole populace democratically votes for genocidal maniacs, isn’t that at least a little bit their fault? If Americans really didn’t want a genocidal leader, surely they wouldn’t go out of their way to vote one in?
A disgusting apologist spotted…
German’s dindu nuffin, mate 🤡
There is no state without people nor is there the IDF.
Without having support from the core population and bunch of willing participants in IDF, this would not be happening. Israeli jews support this with enough force for the state to be able to execute it.
Also, yeah US is about as guilt in here too since Israel will never be able to do this without US political cover and logistical/materiel support.
US jews along fundamentalist Christians are pushing this genocide too…
your intention with using Jew as a slur was…anti-Semitic…
Do better next time.
your intention with using Jew as a slur was
no
Older Americans remember an old Israel, struggling to just get by.
Younger Americans… largely don’t know anything about it. They know it’s some country in the Middle East, but have no idea what’s going on in gaza. TBH I did not growing up. It’s not taught in school, it’s not common knowledge unless your origins/family are from the region.
Mussolini is one of the most cultured men in Italy[…]
-The New York Times 1922
Yeah; it was after that article where he got a brain worm and went crazy
NYT are notorious genocide deniers and otherwise apologists though… always have been since at least 1930s.
Ignore the curbing of your own freedoms! We are stomping on the necks of the people you irrationally fear and that is all that matters! History does not repeat but boy does it rhyme.
9/11 2.0 is about due to shake these plebs into Patriot act 2.0
It’s not the same! Hitler tried to overthrow the government with Beerhall Coup before! Wait…
Beerhall Coup
I was not aware of this.
Wonderful…
No no no this time is different.
/s
Yeah, this time English is their native language.
Are you sure? It’s not always clear.
Hear that guys? Everything is going ho be fiiiiiine! We’re safe in Hitlers hands. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m quite rich. I have a ticket aboard an airship. I’m sure you’ve never heard of a zepplin. It’s like an air balloon, but way cooler. It’s called the “Hindenburg”!
Ultimately the deregulation they want will lead to people riding giant gas bombs across the ocean. History is just waiting to repeat itself.
Unfortunately your fictional rich guy probably survives, since the majority of the Hindenburg’s passengers survived.
Well…silver lining. It was the late 1930s. I doubt he’s still alive NOW!!!
Bad news is, nqzis for some reason seem to have made a comeback.
I’ve been downvoted in the past for saying this, but I truely believe we need to legalize murder. HEAR ME OUT…
If you’re a nazi, and I mean a legit nazi, have swastica tattoos, participate in rallys, ect, I think murder should be 100% legal.
You show up, you have a swastica, BANG! One less nazi.
“Oh, did you hear? Lost_My_Mind is a murderer!”
“What??? That’s CRAZY??? What happened???”
“Well, we were at a Wendys, he ordered the chicken nuggets, then he was complaining to himself at how small the nuggets were, and how shrinkflation is real…and then a dude with swastikas on his jacket showed up. Lost_My_Mind grabbed a knife and stabbed him hundreds of times.”
“Oh…well what else was supposed to happen? He did the right thing. Well, except for ordering the nuggets. That’s just encouraging companies to KEEP shrinking their products…but the murder is fine. Could have used the blood as a dipping sauce!”
“Ew, no!”
“You’re right. That’s the line. That went too far. We found the line, and that line is lite canabalism. You can kill nazis, but not eat them.”
As a pacifist (at least in the technical sense) I’m bound to disagree with you on that, but I also think the ones that are stupid enough to have swastika tattoos or even just publicly call themselves nazis aren’t really the ones that we should be worried about. The ones that are really dangerous wear a suit and tie.
Yeah, no. I don’t want to get my hands dirty
I mean…you can use a gun. From a distance. And I’m sure a sink wouldn’t be far away anyways, if you need to wash them.
Yeah its not gonna be okay
And my Jewish mother still thinks we’re making a mistake by fleeing.
And this being despite her knowing that my father’s mother had to get her mother-in-law out of Nazi Germany by sheer force of will and determination in the 1930s, but not without sewing the few valuables she had remaining that the Nazis hadn’t seized into her coat.
If my dad was alive, he’d be helping us pack.
Jewish mother still thinks we’re making a mistake by fleeing
fleeing where…?
The UK where I have dual citizenship. And before you start telling me how awful the UK is for queer people, they’re banning conversion therapy and schools do not tolerate bullying queer kids.
Why’re you fleeing the US for being Jewish? Have you been influenced by MSM lying about an increase in antisemitism as anti-Palestinian rhetoric?
And before you start telling me how awful the UK is for queer people, they’re banning conversion therapy and schools do not tolerate bullying queer kids.
Who said anything about queer people?
Why’re you fleeing the US for being Jewish?
I’m not. I’m fleeing the U.S. because my daughter is queer and going to a country which is banning conversion therapy and which has a zero tolerance policy in schools for bullying queer people.
My wife is also a librarian, who they are trying to imprison for corrupting the youth.
Maybe you should have asked me why I was fleeing in the first place.
And no, I don’t want to hear from you how Trump isn’t actually going to be that bad.
That’s literally the first and only thing I asked you, you only mentioned Jewish. Why would you say that if it wasn’t relevant lol
It seems likely they mean that their mother cannot see the signs of coming fascism and danger even though, as a Jewish person who was close to the Holocaust experience, these should be quite obvious. The population under most immediate threat doesn’t have to be Jews for Jewish people to A) still have characteristics of themselves or loved ones that would make them targets and/or B) not want to live under a fascist regime so reminiscent of Hitler’s Germany.
Exactly. Thank you.
This is the relevant part:
And this being despite her knowing that my father’s mother had to get her mother-in-law out of Nazi Germany by sheer force of will and determination in the 1930s, but not without sewing the few valuables she had remaining that the Nazis hadn’t seized into her coat.
You do understand that the Jewish part was necessary as context to explain that, right?
Good things about Hitler:
- He killed Hitler.
- Killed the guy who was trying to kill Hitler’s assassin right while he was killing him.
- Also killed the guy that tried to kill that guy
Also killed Hitlers dog. I mean sure, literally a Nazi dog, but still, I want to believe the dog was innocent.
The
roadsautobahn?He DID NOT MAKE THE AUTOBAHN!
Holy shit, The Nazis did NOT have anything to do with its original conception and building. They even hated it and didn’t care much for actually doing much of it. There are more links from articles posted online as early as 1995, but I cannot find them right now.
Correct, the Weimar Republic conceived the Autobahn plan, but work was extremely limited. The Little Fucking Austrian Corporal used it to alleviate the unemployment problem and the Wehrmacht preferred the railway network to move troops and supplies to save fuel.
I also remember an article that pointed out that they considered automotive travel to be Jewish (I guess that meant Woke back then) and preferred traditional modes of transport…
Drastically ahead of its time. As in, only one percent of citizens had a car back then. So apart from being war preparations, the Autobahn wasn’t a sensible project at this point in time.
Man. The writers for this timeline really are lazy pieces of shit. How can they just reuse the same stale plot line and continue to collect paychecks? This show has really gone downhill.
6/10 simulation some events repeat and there’s people with too many gems while there’s players who are stuck at the “job” minigame
wage slavery and poor economic conditions but not too poor has been keeping plebs down
but since covid economic conditions deteriorated sufficiency to the point where the plebs are getting restless and ripe for lashing out.
i am sure it will take few decades for DNC for figure it out tho
I heard Germany had really bad inflation before Hitler. Since we’ve seen so much inflation lately, has anyone considered bringing Hitler back?
The german book and movie “Er ist wieder da” (He’s back) is exactly about that. Just before his death, Hitler is transported through space and time to 2010s Berlin and quickly takes the country by storm again. The kicker: A lot of the scenes are just with real people interacting with the Hitler actor in full costume and the things they say and do is unbelievable. It really shows there’s a Hitler in every single one of us and if he really returned, it would likely play out exactly like that. I cannot recommend it enough.
It really shows there’s a Hitler in every single one of us
No, it shows there is a Hitler in a lot of people, not in everyone.
Problem is it’s often the literal Hitlers who think they’re all pure and righteous and got nothing in common with him. They’re the first to tell you that there is nothing to worry about and how the left are overdramatizing everything until fascism is the new normal. It’s important to know that you can’t even trust yourself to not have a Hitler inside you. Others will have to make that judgement for you and they can also be wrong.
So maybe there isn’t a Hitler in everyone, but he could be in anyone including you and me.
I agree and will add that the book and the film are distinct in their ways, but both worth trying.
Hey, those assholes are ripping off our present to fill their history!
As long as they don’t take our cathedrals…
Julius Caesar elected Praetor. Trade up in the imperial forums. Gauls are poisoning the blood of Rome.
History doesn’t repeat but it sure as shit rhymes!
or that [Reich Minister of Economics Alfred] Hugenberg will bring about a general reduction of interest rates
Huh, I wonder how long we’ve been complaining about interest rates. Maybe there’s a clay tablet out there complaining that mortgage rates are too high lol
