• Tudsamfa@lemmy.world
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    This is only superficially a prisoner’s dilemma. In a true one, you cannot get a better result for yourself no matter what the other person does, but here if you assume the other person pulled the lever, there is no reason to pull the lever yourself.

    To fix this, you can have 4 relatives on the trolley, and 5 of the opposite faction way back on the middle track. Both do nothing, 1 relative of each is killed. One guy switches the lever, their relatives are all fine, other guy loses 5. Both switch, crash with all 8 relatives on the trolley dead.

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      I see what you’re trying to do and you’re not necessarily wrong, but you’re kinda perpetuating the attitude that inspired someone to make this meme in the first place

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          Touche. But no, my point was more of a haphazard reflection on how both the Trolley Problem and Prisoner’s Dilemma are (by design) built on the idea of reducing human life and/or morality and empathy down to a math problem. It is a method of thought that has its purposes, sure, but I think too many people make that their default setting, which makes dehumanization more common, even if subconsciously. Idk man, I’m going through some stuff

          Edit: Fixed a pretty bad typo

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            Given that this problem is given during corporate interviews … it probably screens for the requisite level of sociopathy.

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    This guy is already implying that youll like it better if 3 randoms die as 1 loved one, he’s choosing for you already in the explanation 😭😭😭

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      Are the 5 people on the opposong trolley worthy of death? Will killing them outweigh losing my loved ones?

      Or is the one loved one ill save my really hot 1st cousin?

      Because with the rest of the family dead, we can live happily ever after without any annoying incest complaints.

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    Well obviously you should pull the lever once the front wheels past the split but before the rear wheels cross it, so that trolley gets off the rails. This way everybody has the chance to survive and you have defensible position during inevitable court hearing.

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    There is no such thing as an “amount of people”. It’s “number of people”. And the question given is basic game theory, just worded to be nasty.

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    you find some third way thats not the bad outcomes that are suggested. Theres always possibilities in life and people who say there are not are generally trying to coerce you.

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    pull my gun, kill the other person and move the lever, as far i can know that person is the one this whole thing upfamily up

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    “Killing almost everyone”… okay, but even in that “worst” case, both lever operators loved ones are fine, so it’s not the worst case for them

    All they have to deal with is a little existential PTSD bubbling up occasionally. Whatever, add it to the pile. They can lean on their still alive loved ones in those tough times.

    Also, stay off the fucking tracks, fucks sake.