I hope that the mod-user relationship will be healthier here. (Bias, I was a reddit moderator.)
Some reddit mods were crap, this is true. Powermods and sub collectors were real. They did shit up a few communities.
But these people were a very small proportion of all moderators. Most moderators I met were chill, and just wanted to chip in to their respective communities to give back, in a way. Volunteering for internet janitor duty, because no matter how much people use the term as an insult it turns out public spaces need janitors - or they get filled with shit, trash, graffiti (and not the cool kind either, mostly badly drawn swastikas). It’s not a position that should be glorified, or anything, because that’s weird, but I hope that some semblance of basic respect can be maintained here on Lemmy - both ways, meaning no powermods but also no defaulting to assuming mods suck.
Pretty much everybody I ever saw complain about mods was people who cant read the room, and think their opinion is so important or so novel that they should be allowed to voice it in places they clearly weren’t wanted.
I was on reddit for 12 years. Voiced some unpopular opinions. Only had one comment removed that I can remember. I somehow managed to move on with my life
I say this with the best of intentions so bear with me, but I think most of the disdain towards moderators on Reddit came from locking threads due to “excessive trolling” or “y’all can’t behave” etc. It was so visible and immediately shut down conversation which was frustrating for average users. In my opinion excessive trolling isn’t a reason to shut a thread. The only things that would really need to be shut down would be things that are straight up illegal. Obviously people saying offensive things or trolling is an issue but, again in my opinion, that’s what the whole upvote downvote system is for, and moderators can step in for things that are blatantly out of line.
I don’t approve of comments that try to make fun of the userbase while removing their ability to respond, to be clear. But here is the alternative perspective as to why threads would be locked:
When I moderated r/polls, we would occasionally lock threads because we literally couldn’t keep up. If it was a topic that particularly drew out the bigots in force, they would pile in faster than we could ban them. A thread like this could get over a thousand comments if it was one of the top ones that day. The solutions were then either:
Allow bigotry to fester in the thread for extended periods of time
Have one or more moderators camp on the thread in real time trawling through new comments, perhaps for hours on end
Lock the thread
This was on a sub of about 200,000 users, with 5-8 mods. There are subreddits with many times this amount of subscribers, so I can only imagine they might have an even lower threshold for locking.
It’s a necessary “evil”, if you can even call it that. Sure, you could go make your own sub or whatever where people have free reign over the stuff they post in the comments. With proper size you would realize relatively quickly what a fun idea that would be if you were responsible for it.
Allow bigotry to fester in the thread for extended periods of time
I know this will be a controversial opinion but I just don’t see this being a big deal. Those comments inevitably get downvoted and kicked to the bottom of the list, and if you expand a comment that’s -10 karma you probably know what you’re getting into. I created and modded a sub that now has over 2mil subs and never once have I locked a thread (granted, it’s one that’s non political but we got our fair share of weirdly bigoted comments)
Allowing bigots a platform leaves the possibility that they band together, upvote each other, and normalize their opinions on your community gradually until people stop questioning it.
Add on to that the fact the OP on reddit directly receives each comment on their post as a notification by default.
I hope that the mod-user relationship will be healthier here. (Bias, I was a reddit moderator.)
Some reddit mods were crap, this is true. Powermods and sub collectors were real. They did shit up a few communities.
But these people were a very small proportion of all moderators. Most moderators I met were chill, and just wanted to chip in to their respective communities to give back, in a way. Volunteering for internet janitor duty, because no matter how much people use the term as an insult it turns out public spaces need janitors - or they get filled with shit, trash, graffiti (and not the cool kind either, mostly badly drawn swastikas). It’s not a position that should be glorified, or anything, because that’s weird, but I hope that some semblance of basic respect can be maintained here on Lemmy - both ways, meaning no powermods but also no defaulting to assuming mods suck.
Pretty much everybody I ever saw complain about mods was people who cant read the room, and think their opinion is so important or so novel that they should be allowed to voice it in places they clearly weren’t wanted.
I was on reddit for 12 years. Voiced some unpopular opinions. Only had one comment removed that I can remember. I somehow managed to move on with my life
I say this with the best of intentions so bear with me, but I think most of the disdain towards moderators on Reddit came from locking threads due to “excessive trolling” or “y’all can’t behave” etc. It was so visible and immediately shut down conversation which was frustrating for average users. In my opinion excessive trolling isn’t a reason to shut a thread. The only things that would really need to be shut down would be things that are straight up illegal. Obviously people saying offensive things or trolling is an issue but, again in my opinion, that’s what the whole upvote downvote system is for, and moderators can step in for things that are blatantly out of line.
I don’t approve of comments that try to make fun of the userbase while removing their ability to respond, to be clear. But here is the alternative perspective as to why threads would be locked:
When I moderated r/polls, we would occasionally lock threads because we literally couldn’t keep up. If it was a topic that particularly drew out the bigots in force, they would pile in faster than we could ban them. A thread like this could get over a thousand comments if it was one of the top ones that day. The solutions were then either:
This was on a sub of about 200,000 users, with 5-8 mods. There are subreddits with many times this amount of subscribers, so I can only imagine they might have an even lower threshold for locking.
It’s a necessary “evil”, if you can even call it that. Sure, you could go make your own sub or whatever where people have free reign over the stuff they post in the comments. With proper size you would realize relatively quickly what a fun idea that would be if you were responsible for it.
I know this will be a controversial opinion but I just don’t see this being a big deal. Those comments inevitably get downvoted and kicked to the bottom of the list, and if you expand a comment that’s -10 karma you probably know what you’re getting into. I created and modded a sub that now has over 2mil subs and never once have I locked a thread (granted, it’s one that’s non political but we got our fair share of weirdly bigoted comments)
Allowing bigots a platform leaves the possibility that they band together, upvote each other, and normalize their opinions on your community gradually until people stop questioning it.
Add on to that the fact the OP on reddit directly receives each comment on their post as a notification by default.
Yes, another thing I don’t ever want to see here: normalization of bigotry & fascism.
On Twitter, I saw one of the chuds saying “You’re judging all Nazis as assholes!”
Why yes I judge all Nazis as assholes! Fuck normalizing fascism. KILL IT WITH FIRE, MODS!
But couldn’t that have come from the few moderators that did actually suck?