Funny I just bought a 2021 Lenovo X1 Carbon to replace my Thinkpad from 2016, both running Linux immediately.
“Need” to upgrade?
need is a strong word, lmao
I NEED to order another nvme to install Linux and move on. still need to have windows for a few things but will be an afterthought.
“update to win 11”? Welp, guess my next PC is a Steamdeck.
AI is being driven by LLMs hosted on the cloud, so why would anyone in their right mind buy a Laptop with “AI” “inside” it?
Even the most technophobic consumer understands this - you can Google something today with a PC from 2014 and it’ll spit out AI slop for you to slurp on. AI chatbots are embedded into every website you can think of – you already have AI shit in your device, it’s just being outsourced to data centers.
AI accelerators should’ve always been an add-on card like GPUs, or at least embedded into GPUs (like some are) but this whole embedded-into-every-chip-imaginable AI bollocks is a waste of silicon and largely a marketing gimmick to uplift CPU prices.
CPU vendors are struggling to keep justifying new generations and they’re getting desperate. For 90% of people (conservative guess) a CPU needs no more raw processing power than something from 2010-2014 and 4-6 cores; The kicker is, that this requirement hasn’t been touched for years - the host OS has just artificially bloated itself to push sales.
Yeah my gaming pc is from 2014 and runs modern shit fine. Well did, my GPU seems to have packed it in over the weekend. So I’m on the verge of buying a entire new machine. Ten years is pretty good
If case, power supply and storage are still okay, just reuse them and save a not insignificant amount of money.
Yeah that’s the plan, the case is huge but full of water cooling etc
You might end up like me one day, with a case that’s over 20 years old and has seen many hardware upgrades. I never removed the Athlon 64 sticker on mine…
Maxwell?
Nah?
“Need”
These rich scumbags have artificially created a demand for themselves, but they hoped for more with pushing the AI scam. You know, sales must only go up etc.
Linux is the way.
I’m switching to Linux before I ever touch win11
Just got a W11 laptop new from work, (replacing a dead W10 machine). It is such a mess. It is trying hard to be a modern desktop like KDE Plasma or GNOME, but without a cohesive setup. And bluescreened twice already, had a WebApp failure error, and locked up completely another time at login. This is brand-new Out of the Box.
That sounds like a faulty install or machine. Win11 has issues but that’s not a regular experience that you’re describing
I would have thought so too but a few colleagues had a few bluescreens, and the machines are not all the same make or model.
Happened a lot for my win11 laptop my company refreshed for me. 16GB dell laptop and WSL running plus zoom, firefox and obsidian and it kept getting blue screens for running out of memory.
Hmmm. I don’t really like Windows myself and haven’t setup a machine without for me in one a decade. But neither my work “development” laptop (in quotation marks because I’m not a developer) nor a mini PC I installed for my dad ever had bluescreens. They can still happen, of course… but it almost seems to require effort with really bad drivers or broken hardware.
The obvious Windows issues nowadays are a different category from 20 years ago in my opinion.
They still happen even on W10, but we support a lot of customers, that have a lot of users, so I probably encounter them more than a person with one or two PCs ( just statistically)
Often it were would be network or monitor connection.
HP workstations laptops I could blue screen consistently by plugging in my phone set to USB network tether. Immediate NDIS bluescreen. I don’t blame windows 100% for that, it just didn’t like seeing a new network device in the Kernel
Lmao epic, thanks windows
zorin os baby
I don’t think that the people still on windows 10 are in a hurry to upgrade. I suspect that either they don’t want to or are not aware of the risk of outdated security updates. So in the end it probably will come down to whether those people need an actual hardware upgrade or not.
Yeah this is captured by the “need” with a bunch of up votes in this thread… The average person just doesn’t “get it.”
local AI is cool and all, but neither the hardware nor the models are really ready for your average consumer
Who actually uses “local AI” beyond developers and a handful of end users? These NPUs are wasted silicon - akin to sticking a gaming GPU in your CPU that only works for games that are either in development or 99% of people don’t give a shit about
The only real advantage of local AI is privacy and that it’s much cheaper if you use it a lot.
The only consumer use case I see in the wild with some real momentum behind it is role play.
All the local AI communities I browse are 50% people trying to find usecases for it at their job (like me; unsuccessfully I might add) and 50% people interested in role play.
People will apparently spend thousands to jerk off to a soulless machine demon simulacrum shell of a human.
To be fair, I can see the appeal of local AI for video games, like RPGs. There is this really fun game called “Suck Up”, where you are a vampire trying to convince AI to let you inside their house. That is the one real “killer” application I see atm.
I personally see a lot of other useful usecases for local AI, but from my experience at work, I would estimste it will take another 5 years until any of it is anywhere near consumer ready.
Every person I know either already has a Windows 11 ready device, or doesn’t know what an OS is. In the later case, I doubt they would trust themselves to buy a new laptop, rightfully tho. Luckily we have a bunch of old laptops from work, Win 11 compatible. Nobody will buy a new Laptop in my village!
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the expected increase in prices next year is hastening that timeline in the u.s.
