take that shouldn’t be hot: except for in very small communities, mods should not do moderation on their own posts’ comment section, especially when they are the type to be super defensive and invested in their posts’ success. this is the case with those like jordanlund, flyingsquid and the PTB here.
in other words, !usauthoritarianism@lemmy.world has two mods. if mod A makes a participatory (non-pinned/PSA) post, mod B should be the one that handles violations in that posts’ comments. especially if mod A is a frequent commenter and gets into arguments easily.
I didn’t make it in the screenshot 😔
I also got banned for that LMFAO
I didn’t even say anything about the ‘strawman’ I just said that “ban you for speaking too loudly” was bad
“We’re good and you’re bad”
Holy shit lmao you can’t write irony this good.
Oh it’s irony you wanted?
What the hell is going on with that community? :D
Hahaha this comm’s mods are on the sauce, this is insane.
“Alright you’re banned for a month for being an uncivil asshole, but when you get back I’ll make your uncivil ass a mod.”
There’s a theory that the horrible grammar of the Nigerian email scams that gave them away helped them because it automatically helped filter out the people who could have given them the most trouble and would have been the easiest to scam. The same applies to here.
LOL I knew that and they still use similar techniques in the Calcutta Call Centers today, but I never thought about it applied to really anything else, you’re probably right.
Just for the lols, someone try asking them if they’re pro-Russian
They 100% are, and tell you that they don’t actually support Russia but have a “temporary ally” against the capitalist super power… Blablabla…
In the end they support the genocide in Ukraine, hate that genocide in Palestine and generally cherry pick what they seem fascist (the US and Europe) and what not (China, while Russia is temporarily fascist, but that’s okay because of reasons).
Those guys were never politically active in the real world. It’s super sad, because deep inside they are on the right track. They just would change one (capital fascist) system by stalinism (which they call communism).
Very beautifully written!
I find that that’s usually the case for most people. The part of the school system that was responsible for teaching them critical thinking skills really failed them. It’s also why people try to dumb down politics into one of two sides, it’s why our government will always inevitably fail. This guy is using the authoritarian label because that’s as far as his understanding of politics go. The US is an oligarchy, the US is imperialist, the US is nepotistic, but it is not authoritarian, yet.
Having said that, there are groups certainly interested in claiming that so that the authoritarian label means less for other nations, the sort of nations they want to defend. Given the submissions in that “community”, I would say this is the case here. People who really are against authoritarians and who might believe the US to be wouldn’t go and whitewash other authoritarian states. This community is a manifestation of whataboutism propaganda IMO.
The US deserves criticism, but if you really want to make it, I would encourage avoiding places with an underlying agenda like this one. In case you disagree with me, you can test it out easily for yourself, just post there and compare the US to other countries you would consider de facto authoritarian states, and see which countries they have a problem with you bringing up for comparison.
The US is authoritarian in the form of inverted totalitarianism.
We don’t live under the dictatorship of the US government as would be traditional authoritarianism, we live under the dictatorship of capital which effectively owns the US government and controls the population by force.
You shouldn’t of gotten banned for that but at the same time mods have the right to protect their communities from people who argue in bad faith and given this is the internet it’s safe to assume bad faith. (Even if you weren’t)
Edit: it’s interesting that myself and a bunch of other queers have a very different opinion on what authoritarianism looks like compared to the average (straight male). I bet our life experience has nothing to do with it and we’re all just over sensitive whiners 🙄
Edit 2: I fucking hate liberals. Bunch a brainwashed la la land dwellers. China bad! USA good! 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (nobody mentioned China but glad it lives rent free in your head)
Bad faith…
Ok so then this is in bad faith, and so is the above. Guess we all get bans in order to “protect” communities from checks notes differing opinions.
You don’t have the right to be in spaces that aren’t yours. You’re a guest. If they don’t like what you’ve got to say for whatever reason they have the right to ask you to leave. I’m not on world because they’re a bunch of liberals with barely two brain cells clicking together between the lot of them.
no, I’ve got a right to free speach and if I dare think your holy communist china is actually a very shitty and authoritarian nation, I should be able to say so politely
Uh I don’t give a fuck about China, although looking at their quality of life vs that of the US there’s something going very wrong in the US.
I’m an anarchist. Both countries are authoritarian to me.
> Both countries are authoritarian to me.
lmao, explain to me please how any state can be not authoritarian
I do give a fuck about china tho, since it’s even worse than the us imo and people on lemmy try to glorify it constantly
Just because someone coined the term in 2003 doesn’t mean there were better terms to address it, and frankly, adding an adjective onto a term that doesn’t really fit it doesn’t really change the fact that it is not authoritarian. In other words, I inverted agree with you.
I also got inverted banned by them. Meaning I was never banned from the community because I never participated in it, but I was in the totalitarian aspects that their ideology would have constrained with my liberty of expression. Or something. An inverted something. I just checked in case a sudden one had popped up over there, and the most recent ban I have are from several lemmy.ml communities because of how I offended their dear Kim Jong-un by reporting on one of his bans in a way that was not in accordance with the state sanctioned inverted liberty protocols.
🙄
I’m having a very hard time believing this isn’t ironic.
I find that that’s usually the case for most people. The part of the school system that was responsible for teaching them critical thinking skills really failed them. It’s also why people try to dumb down politics into one of two sides, it’s why our government will always inevitably fail. This guy is using the authoritarian label because that’s as far as his understanding of politics go. The US is an oligarchy, the US is imperialist, the US is nepotistic, but it is not authoritarian, yet.
Having said that, there are groups certainly interested in claiming that so that the authoritarian label means less for other nations, the sort of nations they want to defend. Given the submissions in that “community”, I would say this is the case here. People who really are against authoritarians and who might believe the US to be wouldn’t go and whitewash other authoritarian states. This community is a manifestation of whataboutism propaganda IMO.
The US deserves criticism, but if you really want to make it, I would encourage avoiding places with an underlying agenda like this one. In case you disagree with me, you can test it out easily for yourself, just post there and compare the US to other countries you would consider de facto authoritarian states, and see which countries they have a problem with you bringing up for comparison.
Lol, the US has more prisoners than any other country on earth, it maintains torture black sites all over the world, it’s currently actively helping to exterminate an entire country. The only reason you could say it’s not authoritarian is because, in practice, “authoritarian” just means “an enemy of the USA”
What is usually the case?
I’m saying that the mod is being too ridiculous to actually be serious, they must be trolling.Also, the school system was supposed to teach me critical thinking?! I thought that’s what video games were for…
I’ve always been weary of that community. It had some tankie mod vibes.
PTB. They have the ‘right’ to trim their own community according to such ideas as “If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you”, but it doesn’t make it any less stupid or power-tripping.
To be fair, he didnt say he was against authoritariamism.
Is communism even possible without authoritarianism?
Edit: lol I pissed off the tankies
If everything is shared under communism, that would include political power. thus (imo) communism is a direct democracy.
Edit: forgot what thread I was in. What the hell does communism have to do with US authoritarianism?
Ideal communism is what you described. Not communism in practice
Yeah, but humans are awful animals and true communism is a pipe dream.
The awful ones are awful. They’re allowed to take power in the current system. We have awful rulers and the awful people who support them. We need only be aware of this phenomenon to mitigate it. Your solution appears to be not accepting possible solutions, which is just inaction. How does inaction stop awful people from destroying the planet?
They’ve been allowed to take power in basically every system that has ever existed. The entirety of human history is a showcase of the fact.
Sure, we might be able to be better on small scales, but there’s a reason communism has never worked, and will never work on a large scale.
It looks great on paper, but not so much in practice. There’s always going to be evil people who are only interested in personal gain at the expense of others who are charismatic enough to dupe the population into letting them and participate in the committing of atrocities.
Humans are just too easy to corrupt. I think it’ll likely be our Great Filter.
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Yes. Communism was never meant to be authoritarian anyway, it’s a classless, moneyless, stateless society. Only some people don’t believe in the stateless part.
Yes.
Not in the worlds current state. Communism is what comes after the worlds problems are already solved, regardless of what people on here think, its not happening any time soon.
More social policies are needed but these guys messaging is so bad and off it refuses to look introspectively they end up sounding like trumpers
It’s not possible with authoritarianism either :)
Unless you count the version everybody insists on calling “social democracy” nowadays. That one can be done.
Traditional communism probably isn’t possible but it’s near guaranteed that no one in Lemmy wants communism like it’s traditionally taught
Edit: the fuck are you doing in a post about USA authorianism
Why are you booing me I’m right
Seems like all comments here are “whatabout communism”
US being an authoritarian shithole is pretty undisputable reality. It could be preferable to debate the point than outright banning the possibly misinformed, but the assumption of military bot troll propagandist is not unreasonable.
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You and I disagree, so it’s obvious you’re just a Kremlin bot account, here to sow discontent.
I get the ironic angle of the mod being “authoritarian” but that’s their space and if they decide they don’t want to deal with trolls arguing about they can ban people.
Just like trans communities can and should ban people who just want to argue about if trans people are real. If you try to argue against it you’re just being a dick and distracting from the point of the community.
How was OP trolling? They simply called out the strawman in the OOP
If the point of a community is spreading misinformation, you have a moral obligation to distract from the point of the community
Are you suggesting America isn’t authoritarian?
idk about that specifically, I was making a general statement about the behaviors of this genre of online community
The gulag system is mostly for the blacks, we are not the same.JPEG.
Are you suggesting term length has anything to do with authoritarianism?
I’ll bite, compared to Russia or China, the U.S. is not an authoritarian state.
Do you think it is?
Lol, further proof that the word “authoritarian” is just a meaningless snarl word for foreign adversaries.
why prison pop is so high then?
Money.
how is that different from “an authoritarian state”
Oh its worse.
They have a larger prison population then any other country and spend more on military than the next several countries combined
at least the us doesn’t have concentration camps ig
US prisons are not far off what with the forced labor and high death rates.
yeah, ik and I hate both the us and china, I just can’t stand it when people claim that the us is the worse than china, which isn’t true since in the us you at least get free speach and the right to own a gun
The US only has forced labor programs in dangerous work conditions
don’t know about the dangerous work conditions, but the existance of private prisons scares me enough
And does that apply to when transphobes decide that trans people being real is “misinformation”?
No, because it’s not. Truth is not subjective.
Lmao, my sweet summer child.
For future reference if you find yourself saying this phrase you’ve already lost the argument
Cool, but idk since the truth isn’t subjective and the truth is I’m right.
Nuh uh
Plot twist: The mod is from US and just proving their point.
PTB stinking hypocrisy from a distance.
Counterpoint. It’s not a strawman. The US is is an authoritarian state. If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you. also Why are you here?
Strawman wasn’t enough, was it? There’s an implicit false dichotomy here, between accepting the idiotic reasoning and the conclusion or rejecting both (thus the user not belonging to the sub).
EDIT: to be clear. I won’t talk if USA is/isn’t authoritarian, that is not my point. My point is that the mod in question is clearly being irrational, and hell breaks loose once you put irrational people on power. I also don’t think that he should be removing users for not agreeing with the premise of the sub.
Is it a mock-up of Trump being a general dipshit, getting things wrong, then aggressively doubling down on those things when people say anything.
They’re getting reamed out in the comments, which is great to see.
fascist attempts to spread liberal fascist US state dept propaganda that has been debunked thousands of times over
cries about muh freeze peach when told to stop spreading misinformation
Yeah go back to .world, bud
> the us is authoritarian (which is bad)
> I’m not authoritarian (which is good)
> if you disagree, we’ll ban you
let me guess… your logic was made in china too, damn tankie
…this screenshot is from lemmy.world.
Go easy on them, ml users aren’t known for their observation skills.
That doesn’t sound very patriotic? Dont you know 'Merica is the freest country in the world. You’re free to have your labor value exploited and your tax dollars sent of to forign genocidal regimes, if you disagree you’re free to go to prison for protesting and be used as free labor.
Nobody cares
Other then this guy above, clearly.
The place is filled with plenty of examples of US authoritarianism. Consider lurking before posting OP.
never said the us wasn’t authoritarian, I was just making fun of the ptb
Why would it be considered authoritarian to state that you wont rule out military use to rule over the Panama Canal or ban medical procedures decided between doctors and patients?
The US is an authoritarian state
Not yet.
Always has been.
Daddy uses lube tho
100% YDI, there’s no power tripping for moderator to kick someone out for useless flaming or trolling, it’s one of their duties.
Where is OP trolling?
Tolerant for the intolerant smth smth
