from another post comment somewhere
Make
Elon
Go
Away
now that’s a MEGA I agree with
I also like the former Megaupload.
As much as we are joking about him, please do NOT underestimate the power that this shit stain has. People underestimated trump twice and twice we ended up with trump presidencies
There are a lot of vaporware brain idiots out there that lap up every word he says
Yeah unfortunately, just look at the polls for e.g. Germany, I’m pretty sure Muskrat had its influence there: https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/germany/
Yeah but all that and other consumer protections make it harder for him and the other robber barons to get even more filthy rich off of us.
You’re a rich nation ready to be plundered. They will be coming. Media control first. Then buying elections.
Yup that guy is naive. Politicians in Europe are every bit as venal, stupid, and greedy as American ones.
Doesn’t Italy have a Mussolini in their legislative body?
Ha! The UK lost control of its media to greedy rich people centuries ago! So… Yeah… Take that.
I hadn’t thought of that. Maybe this all started with Tesla workers in Sweden protesting and Musk is holding a grudge.
I think he does know how unpopular he is in europe and he’s just doing putin’s will by intentionally stoking division between the US and its major allies.
No. He’s trying to get right wing extremists into power, because they won’t stand in his way if he treats workers and nature as his property.
He got reigned in by unions, environmental activists, agencies and society in general when he tried to ignore every law and regulation he could find at his Berlin gigafactory. That pissed him off big time and it’s not the only time it happened.
He’s a petty little man with too much money.
It’s insane to me that one of the richest people in the world, and still making more every second, cares so much about new ways to hurt people so he can continue to make even more.
Because of this, I feel that it has more to do with gaining power over making money. He appears to be at the stage where he just wants to control everything and absolutely believes he is entitled to do so. At this point, it probably doesn’t even cost that much to do whatever he wants, so why not take it as far as everyone will let him.
It’s called elite projection. They believe that they personally not only know everything and are right all the time, they also want to force everyone to think like them. It’s the same mechanism as with stalinism.
Powerful people have always justified their privilege in some way. Kings descended from the gods or had a divine right to rule, lords and other nobles were the better part of humanity and protected weaker people, etc.
There’s been those huge strikes in Sweden against him by the unions too.
they won’t stand in his way if he treats workers and nature as his property.
Unfortunately it’s not just him. The reason Elon supports right wing populism in europe is so that him and all the other US oligarchs can buy out all the gains european people made as a result of mass movements and the threat of the spread of communism. Public health services, public transport services, environmental protections, consumer protections, paid holidays, disability pay… Anything that is worth anything will be sold off to the US oligarchs for pennies on the dollar while the top guys in AfD, NF, FdI, Reform UK etc. get their cut. Any and all safeguards standing against the looting will be removed and if any single country tries to resist, they will be drowned under the weight of tariffs.
This is of course nothing new, US and European countries have done exactly this to countless countries on the global south throughout the 20th century. What’s new is the crosshairs of the big dog is now turned on europe.
stoking division
get right wing extremists into power
The two are certainly not mutually exclusive.
But I don’t think elon going on about some BS is gonna do that much to embolden already surging russian-backed right wing groups in europe. I think eroding us-eu relations is likely to be the stronger impact.
Unfortunately, Twitter is still used by many media outlets and politicians as a gauge for public sentiment. Just by changing the narrative on there he can change the elite’s perception of reality.
It is quite a commonly repeating story of American companies moving to Europe and bringing American work practices, only for it all to fail miserably and them having to adopt European work practices or close shop.
People in Europe are just not indoctrinated into the same view of what is “normal and how things are” as Americans so the levels of worker exploitation in America are seen as abusive and fought hard in Europe were Unions are still pretty strong.
As far as I’ve seen the only places were American work practices manage slip through pretty much unchallenged is totally unspecialized work in whole new work domains in countries which have copied mechanism for insecure piece-work from the US, so for example things like meal delivery and Uber drivers, and even there we see many countries in Europe starting to crack-down on it, for example by forcing Uber to actually employ its drivers.
Things have slid back in in Europe when it comes to worker rights and what people expect from the State in terms of taking care of the needs of Citizens, but nowhere as much as the US.
Frankly, the more Europe moves away from the US, the less influence the US has in Europe, hence the more likely it is for Europe to retain at least some of its relative prosperity for the many as the American Empire reaches its end of life and is replaced by another one.
Most of the problems Europe has come from copying shit from the American Oligarchy and adopting US Legislation via things like international trade treaties and trade organisations (from ultra-long Copyright periods that completelly break the social contract of Copyright and supra-national Trade Tribunals to the Greed Is Good ideology and the replacement of traditional fairness by wealth-equalization Leftwing thinking with “let’s not talk about wealth” pseudo-Equality of Liberalism).
Also, it’s well time that Europe stops being dependent on military power of the (still) greatest military power in the World not least because it only lasts as long as there is goodwill from the US side and that’s unlikely to survive the death throws of America as an Empire - just look at the decay of the last great Empire - Britain - during the late 19th and early 20th century to see how bad things can get for those dependent on its goodwill.
I also think that many Europeans are pessimistic about the future. The reason for this is Musk, Trump and their cronies. It is the lingering concern that things could get as bad in Europe as they are in the US.
Can he go fuck himself, I like sending my kids to school without body armor and I like free healthcare
Im pretty sure he doesn’t care, didnt he tell some important EU figure literally to go fuck themselves? He isn’t concerned with the opinions of the EU because they’re globalist homos to him, thats why he’s throwing his support behind AFD, BRUV, and some of these other regarded anti-EU, pro-Russian, pro-kleptocrat groups. to help dismantle the EU for Daddy Vlad
As fascism gains traction and politicians generally speaking lose popularity, someone with as much clout as Elon who tells a ranking EU member to fuck themselves is only going to build their base as a result.
thats why he’s throwing his support behind AFD, BRUV, and some of these other regarded anti-EU, pro-Russian, pro-kleptocrat groups
He’s throwing his weight behind them because (a) he has nothing left to gain from the liberal establishment and (b) these underdogs are far more radical and more pliant, so if they win he’ll reap more concessions than from their liberal opposition.
The desire to put every foul turn in world events on Daddy Vladdy is as much a part of the problem as Elon himself. NATO residents cannot accept that these calls for fascism are coming from inside the house. Elon can’t just be fascist and he can’t be pandering to domestic strains of fascism. They all have to be the consequence of some (comically inept and chronically understaffed) Evil Outsider.
We haven’t forgotten that time he used Starlink to benefit Russia over Ukraine, around the time he was cosying up to Putin.
The more you guys give this man media attention in this context the stronger he will become. The parties will choose sides and it will make him a defacto leader in which ever side he ends up on.
I’m not sure how to handle this, but in the US trump and elon got so big BECAUSE liberals hated them so much. They are like cheer leaders for assholes.
Unfortunately none of us here can control what the media puts out.
Yeah, I understand that and I’m not sure what can be done about it. In the US we gave up on having accountability in news reporting, and that is fucking over international journalism by… contamination or something.
I’m sorry world. I wish we had done more and better.
In Belgium, we used to have this tacid agreement amongst the press that they wouldn’t talk about mistresses of ministers and kings. Because it was seen as just a private matter. It doesn’t hold true all the time, but it shows that the press could decide to just not talk about folks like Elon unless they really have to. Not sure it would still work these days, now that most journalism has been replaced with copy pasting an article an making the title a bit more click-baity than the previous one…
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Elon is South African, but other than that your claim is true for many Americans. Their view of the world is extremily twisted and limited at best.
Just like Hiter was an Austrian…
Touché
Well I sure don’t, for whatever that’s worth.
Generalizing 350 million people, yay.
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True, however, not all voted for the clown. I’m not talking about the ones who didn’t vote at all, not voting is dumb AF. Also, Kamala wasn’t a great candidate either, helping the reps. But it doesn’t change the fact that us Europeans see the US change into Idiocracy faster than anyone could have imagined. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump soon would sell the drinking water rights to Gatorade. It has electrolytes.
Literally no one in Europe thinks “europe is bad” — I’ve never heard anyone in europe say this. Ever.
What could that even mean? European continent is bad? Europeans think in regions and countries not whole-ass continents which are very much arbitrary. Maybe he meant European Union? 0 IQ take.
Wtf? The entire right wing in Europe likes him, for example… -78%… they should ask more people and not all from one political group…
He’s also rigging elections here in Europe and right now he’s backing the AfD.
Musk is a great danger for Europe, especially because of his popularity, otherwise he wouldn’t have any influence with the voters… Talking up this danger that Musk doesn’t exist is exactly the worst thing you can do.
Did you confuse musk with russia?
Nah. You should know Europe’s right wingers mouth shows into one direction and their ass in the other direction. They want get gangbanged and destroyed in sandwich mode.
He’s quite popular on lemmy though, there’s not a single day he isn’t on the frontpage
in other words please dont spread to Europe, stay beneign if possible
Usually trends tend to spread from America to Europe, sooner or later. McDonalds, movies, series, software, obesity, ridiculously large pick-up trucks, fascism. Okay, the latter was first exported to the States, like pizza, but it now returns in full swing.
Nowadays very few people in this side of the pond think Europe is worst than the US, and I’m actually living in a country which is pretty much at the tail of the EU wealthwise and hearing that viewpoint from people who old enough and from humble enough origins to have lived in actual misery when this country was a Fascist shithole. As far as I can tell most people around think that at the moment EU is the safest and most prosperous place to live in the World.
People did use to look up to the US maybe 2 decades ago and before, but then the long-term results of Neoliberal Capitalism started to reveal themselves and shitstains like this guy and Trump got into the scene (gleefully followed by the rest of the Republican party and even the Democrat party leadership) and the perception of the US went from “Prosperous Land Of Opportunity” to “Dangerous and Decaying Country”.
The American Dream has been murdered and people like Musk are just plunging the knife a couple more times into its already cooling down corpse.
I would love to see him go to Europe and try to convince them all the rights they have there, need to be gotten rid of. 😂
“Listen, I know you get maternity leave, but you gotta ask yourself, is that hurting the billionaire class?”
He’d be like “this will benefit you in the future when you become a billionaire yourself”
