• tiredturtle@lemmy.ml
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    7 hours ago

    Marx differentiates between workers directly managing production and a state acting as their proxy. Material improvements alone don’t prove proletarian control, as state capitalism can achieve similar outcomes while concentrating power in a minority.

    Marxism prioritizes dialectical analysis over majority opinion. Experience matters, and it must be tested against material conditions and theory. The opinions of the majority cannot substitute for class analysis. Even Lenin argued that revolutionary theory develops.

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      4 hours ago

      Marxism prioritizes dialectical analysis over majority opinion

      Also what the fuck even is this, this is illegible. Who fucking cares, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about; are you saying that your imagined form of analysis you’ve named dialectical materialism is more meaningful than statistical facts showing widespread approval? That’s nakedly really stupid, even if you’re clearly an anticommunist it’s feeble to try and hide it behind an absurdly thin veneer of Marxism. Just be honest and say you’re a liberal, or start engaging with Michael Parenti’s work.

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      4 hours ago

      Marx differentiates between workers directly managing production and a state acting as their proxy. Material improvements alone don’t prove proletarian control

      Socialism is not the electrification of Russia

      as state capitalism can achieve similar outcomes while concentrating power in a minority.

      Yeah, clearly, but you haven’t proven it at all. The revolutionary conditions of the PRC have made it so that regular working people can engage with their government in ways impossible in the liberal world, I know from my own experience of being there and from studies like this one from famously CCP Elite backed Harvard which shows that the great masses of people are satisfied in their governance and feel engaged.

      You can imply and say all day without evidence that the world’s largest socialist country is purely in the hands of a ruling elite which comprises it’s own economic class separate from the working class people it represents, but it doesn’t make it true.

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      What do you believe Socialism and Communism looks like? Where is the line between the “administration of things” as Engels describes it, and a state acting as proxy? You keep saying workers didn’t have control, but by all accounts they did, and the material benefits prove this. You may want to read Soviet Democracy and Is the Red Flag Flying? Political Economy of the Soviet Union. The Material improvements are a symptom of the system at work, not proof of it but support the thesis. You have nothing supporting your thesis.

      Dialectical analysis is important, yes, but just calling your analysis dialectical even if it stands in contrast with reality and the social knowledge of hundreds of millions of Marxists requires serious burden of proof. Marxism-Leninism is a science because it evolves, but simply going against the grain without materialist analysis doesn’t mean you have a point.