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I just talk to myself. That way when I let myself down, I don’t feel like I’ve been forsaken.
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Everyone seems to miss the whole point of the story of Job.
The point is that he is pious even at the worst of times. His faith in Yahweh isn’t because his faith is rewarded, or that his life is good.
And that true faith overcomes and resists all temptation, even when times are at their hardest.The story is however a great example of the objectification of women though, when his wife is replaced by a younger, hotter, one at the end.
No, we got the point.
You missed the one where that’s the ideology of an abuser.
OK, maybe I missed the memo on that as I keep seeing it as a go to to show that “belief is stupid” , or that “religion is dumb”, which there are far better story picks to show.
Cause the comic here making Job’s faith about protecting his family is not what Bible Job would pray for. But I’m probably putting too much into a cute little gotcha! comic for anti-thiests.
Except that’s literally what the story says that Job would pray for:
Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom. Job 1:5b, NIV
His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would make arrangements for them to be purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom.
Makes it seem more of a following their birthday feast custom than an everyday habit in context.
A response to feared decadence than a main goal of keeping family safe.
Also his kids are replaced too. Story is very fucked.
Yup. That too.
The morals of it are fully borked. Just don’t “at” it on the faith angle.
The most important part of the story (to me) is when his friends come and tell Job that he must be evil to deserve misfortune. Job knows he has been good and faithful and he is strong in that belief, so instead of accepting their backwards reasoning, he goes to ask God for an explanation.
(This actually shows his belief in his own faithfulness is stronger than his belief that God will be good to the faithful and he is justified by the next part.)
After much begging and pleading, God gives him an explanation, but it is “sorry bro, Gods don’t really care about mortal suffering”.
Then after God proved his point, he rewards Job after all, but it’s honestly a cop-out to let the story have some other ending than just “and then Job fucking died”. I think the story is older than the idea of heaven or Job could have had his reward there. Might have gelled better with the New Testament.
The point is that he is pious even at the worst of times.
that’s one take.
Another: the point is that if god will treat the most pious this way, when he likes job, what will he do to the nonbeliever? better have faith or else.
Except he spends 20-something chapters arguing the opposite, basically saying that he wants to argue his case against God in court (which is what finally happens, beginning with the “Speech from the Whirlwind” in Chapter 32). The Book of Job has been seen as incredibly problematic – not just from the view of “God as Cosmic Abuser,” but also from the perspective of “how dare Job challenge God”. The Elihu chapters (32-37) are clearly a later addition, created by some reader who was so offended by the lack of defense of God’s position by Job’s “friends” that he felt it necessary to add his own midrash in the middle of the book.
I personally do not believe that Job is generally interpreted the way that the original author intended; I think that a better way of understanding it is to see it as a kind of fairy tale – one that visibly demonstrates that traditional understandings of God’s righteousness (“Might defines right”) are morally bankrupt. I fully acknowledge, though, that most do not see it that way.
see it as a kind of fairy tale
uh thats the entire book bro
Hah, I meant the literary form, but I take your point. (I’d personally call it myth, but that’s splitting hairs.)
Capitalist myth that working makes you a more pious person, no, being pious makes you a more pious person
