After the combative Oval Office meeting, Trump wrote on Truth Social that Zelenskyy 'can come back when he is ready for peace,' upending talks to ending the war in Ukraine.
Is this really that weird? I feel like I have been to work meetings with more intensity. Also my read on it was that Zelensky was super annoying. The way he interrupted Trump and Vance all the time even though they are in charge of the situation and location. I know Trump does it too, but dude that’s not how you handle this situation. You’d think that Zelensky would know that. Any middle manager in corporate America would handle it with more grace. Sheesh
I’m not sure what ‘more grace’ you think Zelenskyy could have shown in a situation like that. Trump and Vance are telling him that he’s “gambling with World War III”, and telling him that he needs to say “thank you” - but without letting him finish a sentence. Trump was saying some really harsh stuff, but not allowing Zeleskyy to respond to it. This is the only time Zelenskyy tried to talk over the top of him; and you think it is “super annoying”.
In the earlier parts of the meeting, Trump was not engaged at all. Trump commented that “I wasn’t there then” while Zelenskyy gave context of how Russia has abused trust given to them in diplomacy; apparently Trump thinks nothing matters unless he is personally involved. This is the attitude Trump brought to the meeting, but you think Zelenskyy was “super annoying” and should have handled this senseless berating with more grace. I disagree with you.
This isn’t middle management. This was trump and vance acting like children towards our allies. This was trump and vance and maga showing they’re putins cock sleeve. It’s crazy how much you trump supporters will lick the taint and swallow the balls just to try and make trump look competent.
Trump and Vance are russian assets and should be tried for treason.
And? Was it such a high price to pay for his country salvation? It’s not a book about good and evil. There are real lives at stake. Zelensky’s honor is not notre important than any soldier’s life.
Kissing the ring is not what was going on here. Trump is trying to force a deal that doesn’t do shit for Ukraine but strip them of future income to rebuild.
The invasion is still happening, and it will continue to happen no matter what trump does, because trump is putins lapdog.
Bending the knee to putin is maximizing the negative impact.
You’re either a russian troll or an idiot. The freeworld is on Zelenskys, and trump just showed the world that the USA is no longer on the side of democracy or freedom.
The second part of his visit was to discuss guarantees behind the closed doors. Which is why he was trying to steer the discussion towards that topic. He just did it so hamfistedly that Vance and Trump took it as a personal attack. Any half assed politician especially on international arena could have avoided that. It’s all it was: failed negotiation. The fact that people see some kind of inspiration behind this failure is just pathetic misread of the situation
Wtf are you talking about? Zelensky was the first one to offer to sell his mineral rights in October. Trump just took him up on the offer. Behind the closed doors they had full opportunity to discuss guarantees. Instead we have this bs.
Sell yes, meaning Ukraine gets something in return…
But Trump goes “ok give us the minerals, bye”.
What kind of deal is that, Ukraine gets nothing, that’s not even a proper business transaction…
Thats plain saying give me your money or the guy with the gun takes it from you.
In a real deal the least Zelensky/Ukraine expects to get in return is full and lasting protection against Putin walzing in and taking Ukraine anyway.
In his WW3 rant Trump also seems to forget Zelensky/Ukraine is already at war (though putin is the one calling it a 3 day police action), and the only one gambling for WW3 is Trump by whining about demanding minerals for nothing in return.
Ofcourse it’s full on clear by now Trump expects Putin to walz in anyway, destroy Ukraine and pay Trump personally a 1% finders fee for the minerals.
The discussion of the security guarantees was to happen behind closed doors after the initial press conference. In fact that’s why Zelensky was trying to steer the conversation in that direction to prime the next stage. It’s just that he failed so completely in this steering that it should be in textbooks. Simply having an interpreter would be enough to iron out the edges.
He could have walked away with a deal today. Maybe even with NATO invite in 20 years or something like that. Instead because of his political ineptitudes he risks to lose it all.
The deal is not important, nor are the minerals, Zelensky was there for security guarantees and they should not be hidden, what kind of nonsense is that.
Why shouldn’t anyone hear of security guarantees?
Trump should have shaken Zelensky’s hands, in public LOUDLY proclaiming full and lasting protection and NATO membership or NATO boots on the ground.
Make explicitly sure everyone knows Trump and the US supports and backs an ally that is invaded by a centuries old enemy.
And THEN do a deal for minerals behind the curtains, THAT is the way to do it.
Why should it be like this? Because you think so?
The deal most likely was to be finalized behind closed doors and then announced at the final conference.
The fact that the meeting was happening at all means that the deal was mostly agreed upon already using envoys or whoever. This was probably just to dot the i. And… Zelensky couldn’t manage to even do that.
I work with some Ukrainian and Israeli contractors. They are much more direct than the typical American, and there was some cultural calibration that had to happen on both sides of the relationship.
Of course any competent international businessman or seasoned politician would already know this and navigate those cultural differences as a matter of course.
Agreed. So I don’t understand why he was so bad at this. Maybe because he had very positive experiences all those previous years? But it was because in the past his peers were aligned with him. This is the first time in his career when it’s no longer the case and he totally blew it.
Yeah, nah my take was Zelenskyy was frustrated to be there, coddling up to putins peppers while his people are being killed. He went from having a trusted reliable partner to someone who’s parroting Kremlin talking points, and implying that it was Ukraines fault in the matter of months. He’s not a middle manager, they are both their respective countries leaders.
Well he sucks as a leader. Instead of negotiating ,he throws hissy feet. What a small thing to say thanks guys what a wonderful administration and then have a real discussion behind closed doors. Instead he just put his country in terrible position. This was so ducking predictable. He could have salvaged it so many times but he chose to be stubborn and now his people will pay for it. That’s right: it was in essence his political career vs lives of people. He chose his career. I know those are Ukrainian lives so you don’t care about them, but to me that was the height of idiocy. I hope Zelensky is remembered as a murderer. He had a choice to negotiate surrender in 2022 and he had a choice today. He just did what was convenient for him instead.
I don’t care about Ukrainian lives? Fuck right off bud, nah this is so pure trumps fault. You’re mad that Zelenskyy didn’t pucker up to trumps putrid orange asshole
Him not puckering out is bad for Ukraine. His alliance with us was tenuous at best after Trump got in office, but now he’s risking to lose it completely just because he’s a bad negotiator. There were so many opportunities to do this better even without saying to much. He’s just a bad politician. Lacking experience. His mistake was to speak in English too. Totally avoidable.
I’m actually registered Democrat and left leaning at that. Doesn’t mean I can’t point out bs when I see it even if it goes against the grain of the party.
He could have waited until they finish talking and say exactly what he was going to say. It came out unprofessional. Not that Trump is professional, but Trump is a Trump and in the end Zelensky was there to ask for support. Instead he tried to demand it. Dumb.
I’m sorry. A lie should be called out immediately, not allowed to be inserted into the discussion by the awful shithead delivering said lie. What you’re asking Zelinsky to do here is fight with both hands tied behind his back, for ‘decorum’. That’s bullshit and you know it. Zelensky called Trump and Vance out on their bullshit. I don’t think he gives two shits about some rando on the internet and their belief on what the ‘proper’ way to deal with Trump’s bullshit is. IMO, he did what he had to do, And now he needs to pivot away from the USA for support because we did the awful thing and elected the Shitgibbon TWICE.
Oh my God. Zelensky was there to negotiate the deal that he himself has proposed. He was just sucking so hard at his job as a politician that he couldn’t ducking do it properly. Being righteous and all means absolutely nothing at that level.
If he just kept it under control, the press would barely mention the conference, he would have proceeded to get security guarantees behind the closed doors and people would have stopped dying.
Right. If you believe this, I really can’t help you. It’s like you watched a different video than I did. Trump and Vance lied like fucking rugs in this, and baited the fuck out of Zelensky. But gotta keep that decorum to satisfy some rando on the internet. I’d love to say what I find you to be, but the mods would come down on me like they should be coming down on you for your other comments. But looking at your downvotes compared to downvotes to what you’re replying to? I think that stands on its own. ;)
I didn’t know what comments you are reading, but so far I’m the one being personally attacked.
I don’t care about downvotes or about being banned. As Rick said, your boos mean nothing, I have seen what makes you cheer. Just because everybody refuses to see the truth, it doesn’t mean that it’s not truth. And the truth is that Zelensky is incompetent at his job and that’s the only reason this negotiation has failed. By the way, he was the one who asked for this meeting through macron. He never should have come and would be in better position. He understands it himself which is why he posted his pathetic xitter comment trying to restart the convo with Trump and will probably succeed at that.
If you feel you’re being attacked, report the attacks, and the mods MAY remove them. They ride us on the Left far harder than they ride the people coming in from outside and pushing conservative memes like the idea that Zelensky is incompetent here in this channel. Maybe you’ll get a few of us silenced. :)
I don’t normally report things like this because I want everyone to see what is going on here. Number of upvotes on personal attack comments tells me a lot about this community too.
He could have waited until they finish talking and say exactly what he was going to say. It came out unprofessional.
So he was just supposed to sit there and say nothing while Vance dresses him down like a cuck for the world to see?
World leaders don’t do that. Macron didn’t let Trump finish when Trump was lying, and neither did Stammer. Zelensky shouldn’t be expected to do it either.
Not that Trump is professional, but Trump is a Trump
That is absolutely no excuse. Plus, it was Vance who started it. He knows better, and chose to insult Zelensky anyway.
and in the end Zelensky was there to ask for support.
Asking for support does not and should not require the political equivalent of having to go on live television and beg mommy and daddy for a few table scraps while they tell you that you aren’t being thankful enough for being allowed to sit at the adults table in the first place.
Their whole purpose was to make Zelinsky come over and kiss the ring, and then embarrass him in front of the world stage. They had Russian media there, but AP and Reuters were banned. MTG’s husband asked why the man didn’t wear a suit. And Vance and Trump just kept dressing him down over and over again. The whole point was to embarrass the man on the world stage to please almighty Putin.
Instead he tried to demand it. Dumb.
The man stood up for his country, and refused to turn himself into one of Trump’s cucks. He was perfectly willing to kiss the ring until they decided that he needed to be humiliated too.
Vance had no rights to be there, the only reason he was is so they both could gang up on Zelensky in front of the cameras and bully him, Trump probably felt he was unable to do it alone.
They even got MTG’s pathetic boyfriend in on the act with that question about the suit. The whole meeting was nothing more than an ambush meant to humiliate a man who is not in a geopolitical position to properly defend himself. Vance admitted as much. They’re upset because Trump didn’t make up dirt on Biden to help Trump in 2020 and showed up to stump for Harris last year.
Literally nothing changed for him. At the price of being slightly uncomfortable he could have saved his country. Now he condemned countless lives to the death. Because he couldn’t what? Sit quiet for a minute? Hold his tongue? I bet any> of those people dying right now on the front line would beg him to do it
I have. I’m just holding you to the same standards as you are holding Zelinsky to, and also testing the Mods out to see if they’ll equally apply the rules about personal attacks, too.
Is this really that weird? I feel like I have been to work meetings with more intensity. Also my read on it was that Zelensky was super annoying. The way he interrupted Trump and Vance all the time even though they are in charge of the situation and location. I know Trump does it too, but dude that’s not how you handle this situation. You’d think that Zelensky would know that. Any middle manager in corporate America would handle it with more grace. Sheesh
I’m not sure what ‘more grace’ you think Zelenskyy could have shown in a situation like that. Trump and Vance are telling him that he’s “gambling with World War III”, and telling him that he needs to say “thank you” - but without letting him finish a sentence. Trump was saying some really harsh stuff, but not allowing Zeleskyy to respond to it. This is the only time Zelenskyy tried to talk over the top of him; and you think it is “super annoying”.
In the earlier parts of the meeting, Trump was not engaged at all. Trump commented that “I wasn’t there then” while Zelenskyy gave context of how Russia has abused trust given to them in diplomacy; apparently Trump thinks nothing matters unless he is personally involved. This is the attitude Trump brought to the meeting, but you think Zelenskyy was “super annoying” and should have handled this senseless berating with more grace. I disagree with you.
This isn’t middle management. This was trump and vance acting like children towards our allies. This was trump and vance and maga showing they’re putins cock sleeve. It’s crazy how much you trump supporters will lick the taint and swallow the balls just to try and make trump look competent.
Trump and Vance are russian assets and should be tried for treason.
And? Was it such a high price to pay for his country salvation? It’s not a book about good and evil. There are real lives at stake. Zelensky’s honor is not notre important than any soldier’s life.
So you think it’s ok for a country to be invaded, and attacked…and it should just roll over and enslave itself?
Invasion has already happened. As a country leader he has an obligation to minimize negative impact. Even at the cost of “kissing the ring.”
Kissing the ring is not what was going on here. Trump is trying to force a deal that doesn’t do shit for Ukraine but strip them of future income to rebuild.
The invasion is still happening, and it will continue to happen no matter what trump does, because trump is putins lapdog.
Bending the knee to putin is maximizing the negative impact.
You’re either a russian troll or an idiot. The freeworld is on Zelenskys, and trump just showed the world that the USA is no longer on the side of democracy or freedom.
Nope. Zelensky was the first one suggesting the deal in October last year. See here point number 4 https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/plan-peremogi-skladayetsya-z-pyati-punktiv-i-troh-tayemnih-d-93857
The second part of his visit was to discuss guarantees behind the closed doors. Which is why he was trying to steer the discussion towards that topic. He just did it so hamfistedly that Vance and Trump took it as a personal attack. Any half assed politician especially on international arena could have avoided that. It’s all it was: failed negotiation. The fact that people see some kind of inspiration behind this failure is just pathetic misread of the situation
You want Zelenskyy to sell out his country to putins lapdog and kiss the ring. Shameful
Wtf are you talking about? Zelensky was the first one to offer to sell his mineral rights in October. Trump just took him up on the offer. Behind the closed doors they had full opportunity to discuss guarantees. Instead we have this bs.
Sell yes, meaning Ukraine gets something in return…
But Trump goes “ok give us the minerals, bye”.
What kind of deal is that, Ukraine gets nothing, that’s not even a proper business transaction…
Thats plain saying give me your money or the guy with the gun takes it from you.
In a real deal the least Zelensky/Ukraine expects to get in return is full and lasting protection against Putin walzing in and taking Ukraine anyway.
In his WW3 rant Trump also seems to forget Zelensky/Ukraine is already at war (though putin is the one calling it a 3 day police action), and the only one gambling for WW3 is Trump by whining about demanding minerals for nothing in return.
Ofcourse it’s full on clear by now Trump expects Putin to walz in anyway, destroy Ukraine and pay Trump personally a 1% finders fee for the minerals.
The discussion of the security guarantees was to happen behind closed doors after the initial press conference. In fact that’s why Zelensky was trying to steer the conversation in that direction to prime the next stage. It’s just that he failed so completely in this steering that it should be in textbooks. Simply having an interpreter would be enough to iron out the edges.
He could have walked away with a deal today. Maybe even with NATO invite in 20 years or something like that. Instead because of his political ineptitudes he risks to lose it all.
The deal is not important, nor are the minerals, Zelensky was there for security guarantees and they should not be hidden, what kind of nonsense is that. Why shouldn’t anyone hear of security guarantees?
Trump should have shaken Zelensky’s hands, in public LOUDLY proclaiming full and lasting protection and NATO membership or NATO boots on the ground. Make explicitly sure everyone knows Trump and the US supports and backs an ally that is invaded by a centuries old enemy.
And THEN do a deal for minerals behind the curtains, THAT is the way to do it.
Why should it be like this? Because you think so? The deal most likely was to be finalized behind closed doors and then announced at the final conference. The fact that the meeting was happening at all means that the deal was mostly agreed upon already using envoys or whoever. This was probably just to dot the i. And… Zelensky couldn’t manage to even do that.
I work with some Ukrainian and Israeli contractors. They are much more direct than the typical American, and there was some cultural calibration that had to happen on both sides of the relationship.
Of course any competent international businessman or seasoned politician would already know this and navigate those cultural differences as a matter of course.
Agreed. So I don’t understand why he was so bad at this. Maybe because he had very positive experiences all those previous years? But it was because in the past his peers were aligned with him. This is the first time in his career when it’s no longer the case and he totally blew it.
Yeah, nah my take was Zelenskyy was frustrated to be there, coddling up to putins peppers while his people are being killed. He went from having a trusted reliable partner to someone who’s parroting Kremlin talking points, and implying that it was Ukraines fault in the matter of months. He’s not a middle manager, they are both their respective countries leaders.
Well he sucks as a leader. Instead of negotiating ,he throws hissy feet. What a small thing to say thanks guys what a wonderful administration and then have a real discussion behind closed doors. Instead he just put his country in terrible position. This was so ducking predictable. He could have salvaged it so many times but he chose to be stubborn and now his people will pay for it. That’s right: it was in essence his political career vs lives of people. He chose his career. I know those are Ukrainian lives so you don’t care about them, but to me that was the height of idiocy. I hope Zelensky is remembered as a murderer. He had a choice to negotiate surrender in 2022 and he had a choice today. He just did what was convenient for him instead.
I don’t care about Ukrainian lives? Fuck right off bud, nah this is so pure trumps fault. You’re mad that Zelenskyy didn’t pucker up to trumps putrid orange asshole
Him not puckering out is bad for Ukraine. His alliance with us was tenuous at best after Trump got in office, but now he’s risking to lose it completely just because he’s a bad negotiator. There were so many opportunities to do this better even without saying to much. He’s just a bad politician. Lacking experience. His mistake was to speak in English too. Totally avoidable.
So bad, that’s why Europe and Canada are reacting in a positive way due to the outcome of trumps little temper tantrum. Uhuh.
You’re just a bad ruzzian. No one is buying your bullshit.
I’m American my friend. The truth is hard to accept. I understand.
Is that why you continue to spread bullshit lies that only serve your fuhrer?
GTFO
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What? Is truth hard to hear, you baby killing Nazi?
The p in gop stands for protection. Stop projecting
I’m actually registered Democrat and left leaning at that. Doesn’t mean I can’t point out bs when I see it even if it goes against the grain of the party.
Calling someone a baby killing nazi isn’t pointing out bs that goes against the grain of the party.
Bull. Fucking. Shit
You can believe what you want. I sure don’t care.
You haven’t spoken the truth since you were shit out of your worthless mother.
So edgy
He interrupted when Vance was literally telling Zelensky that he didn’t kiss the ring enough during a live fucking press conference. Literally.
He interrrupted when Vance said that he watched a few news reports and therefore that gave him the right to dictate how Zelensky handles the war.
They were trying to turn Zelensky into Trump’s cuck and Zelensky wouldn’t stand for it.
He could have waited until they finish talking and say exactly what he was going to say. It came out unprofessional. Not that Trump is professional, but Trump is a Trump and in the end Zelensky was there to ask for support. Instead he tried to demand it. Dumb.
I’m sorry. A lie should be called out immediately, not allowed to be inserted into the discussion by the awful shithead delivering said lie. What you’re asking Zelinsky to do here is fight with both hands tied behind his back, for ‘decorum’. That’s bullshit and you know it. Zelensky called Trump and Vance out on their bullshit. I don’t think he gives two shits about some rando on the internet and their belief on what the ‘proper’ way to deal with Trump’s bullshit is. IMO, he did what he had to do, And now he needs to pivot away from the USA for support because we did the awful thing and elected the Shitgibbon TWICE.
Oh my God. Zelensky was there to negotiate the deal that he himself has proposed. He was just sucking so hard at his job as a politician that he couldn’t ducking do it properly. Being righteous and all means absolutely nothing at that level.
If he just kept it under control, the press would barely mention the conference, he would have proceeded to get security guarantees behind the closed doors and people would have stopped dying.
Right. If you believe this, I really can’t help you. It’s like you watched a different video than I did. Trump and Vance lied like fucking rugs in this, and baited the fuck out of Zelensky. But gotta keep that decorum to satisfy some rando on the internet. I’d love to say what I find you to be, but the mods would come down on me like they should be coming down on you for your other comments. But looking at your downvotes compared to downvotes to what you’re replying to? I think that stands on its own. ;)
I didn’t know what comments you are reading, but so far I’m the one being personally attacked. I don’t care about downvotes or about being banned. As Rick said, your boos mean nothing, I have seen what makes you cheer. Just because everybody refuses to see the truth, it doesn’t mean that it’s not truth. And the truth is that Zelensky is incompetent at his job and that’s the only reason this negotiation has failed. By the way, he was the one who asked for this meeting through macron. He never should have come and would be in better position. He understands it himself which is why he posted his pathetic xitter comment trying to restart the convo with Trump and will probably succeed at that.
If you feel you’re being attacked, report the attacks, and the mods MAY remove them. They ride us on the Left far harder than they ride the people coming in from outside and pushing conservative memes like the idea that Zelensky is incompetent here in this channel. Maybe you’ll get a few of us silenced. :)
I don’t normally report things like this because I want everyone to see what is going on here. Number of upvotes on personal attack comments tells me a lot about this community too.
So he was just supposed to sit there and say nothing while Vance dresses him down like a cuck for the world to see?
World leaders don’t do that. Macron didn’t let Trump finish when Trump was lying, and neither did Stammer. Zelensky shouldn’t be expected to do it either.
That is absolutely no excuse. Plus, it was Vance who started it. He knows better, and chose to insult Zelensky anyway.
Asking for support does not and should not require the political equivalent of having to go on live television and beg mommy and daddy for a few table scraps while they tell you that you aren’t being thankful enough for being allowed to sit at the adults table in the first place.
Their whole purpose was to make Zelinsky come over and kiss the ring, and then embarrass him in front of the world stage. They had Russian media there, but AP and Reuters were banned. MTG’s husband asked why the man didn’t wear a suit. And Vance and Trump just kept dressing him down over and over again. The whole point was to embarrass the man on the world stage to please almighty Putin.
The man stood up for his country, and refused to turn himself into one of Trump’s cucks. He was perfectly willing to kiss the ring until they decided that he needed to be humiliated too.
I fully agree. But to add to it:
Vance had no rights to be there, the only reason he was is so they both could gang up on Zelensky in front of the cameras and bully him, Trump probably felt he was unable to do it alone.
They even got MTG’s pathetic boyfriend in on the act with that question about the suit. The whole meeting was nothing more than an ambush meant to humiliate a man who is not in a geopolitical position to properly defend himself. Vance admitted as much. They’re upset because Trump didn’t make up dirt on Biden to help Trump in 2020 and showed up to stump for Harris last year.
Literally nothing changed for him. At the price of being slightly uncomfortable he could have saved his country. Now he condemned countless lives to the death. Because he couldn’t what? Sit quiet for a minute? Hold his tongue? I bet any> of those people dying right now on the front line would beg him to do it
You don’t bow down to dictatorial filth unless you’re a republican piece of trash.
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Nice personal attack.
You should read the rest of this thread.
I have. I’m just holding you to the same standards as you are holding Zelinsky to, and also testing the Mods out to see if they’ll equally apply the rules about personal attacks, too.
They’ve already deleted some of my posts replying to this cretin.