cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/57576884
There’s so many ways to interact with the Fediverse. The most popular, by far, seems to be Mastodon, but Lemmy, Misskey, and Pixelfed are also relatively popular. Kbin used to be popular, but it has apparently been abandoned, and is mostly dead at this point.
I recently learned that Mbin is a thing, checked it out, and it looked really cool! Has anyone used it? How different is it from Lemmy? I hear they have better integration with Mastodon.
What Fediverse services do you actually, regularly use?
For me, it’s mostly Lemmy, though I do hop on Mastodon every now and then.
I’ve been in the Fediverse for a few weeks max and don’t even know what’s what.
Already got banned from Mastodon and Lemm.ee. Good riddance, might as well be on Reddit with the awful right wing attitude.
Unfortunately also Lemmygrad and Hexbear which I love.I checked, and you weren’t really banned from Lemm.ee, the mod comment says you can come back in 2 weeks. Still, getting rocked by Lemm.ee means you did something wrong for sure… I can’t see what you said, but “Russian propaganda” shows up more than once.
Complaining about right-wing attitude while getting banned from Lemmygrad and Hexbear… HEXBEAR?! How did you even do that… For denouncing age-ism, you say… I wonder what you said.
What Mastodon instance did you get banned from, just out of curiosity?
What I can say is that you really need to tone it down or find an instance that has a no-ban policy. Of course, that sort of instance gets de-federated FAST… You seem to be going around causing mayhem. No offense.
Yes, not supporting NATO will get you viciously attacked.
Russian propaganda, Vlad, go suck Pootins dick, etc… All that is allowed but you can’t return the favor so you get banned.
Same for Mastodon, and I don’t want to come back to either of those.
I can find the same garbage and narrative like that on Reddit, not what I’m looking for.**hexbear ** it was a post about “the boomers” and how they are everything what’s wrong with the world and evil Trumpers. I expected better from someone on Hexbear.
I tried to explain they are not a monolith, their generation have achieved a lot in the 60’s and did their share, sometimes at great cost.
Also it’s a divide and conquer tactic.
If blaming a certain age group is not ageism (a standard no no in most instances rules) someone should explain it to me. Anyway, OP tried to get out of it by saying “boomer is more of a mindset” which is nonsense.
But mostly he got very defensive with the same result as in the non-left instances.Lemmygrad I had a disagreement about how I personally don’t see religion and communism as compatible. Not appreciated by my Muslim adversary.
And there we I went again.These 2 subs I really like and visit and would go back to if it could be fixed. I don’t even know how, like I didn’t know about the 2 week lemm.ee ban. Suddenly you are logged out, can’t log in and that was it. Didn’t see an option to protest a ban anywhere.
What Mastodon instance did you get banned from, just out of curiosity? Couldn’t tell you, it was the very first Fediverse thing I tried and knew even less than now where I was.
Yes I need to tone it down IF I per sé want to stay.
I admit I get full on aggressive when attacked and I dislike having to do this (or the results) but having to self censor out of fear doesn’t sit right. There is enough censorship as it is. Opinions on politics can easily clash and I admit I can be very hard, confrontational and not diplomatic. It is fair for others to also not hold back, I don’t mind. Grown ups should be able to hold heated civil discussions. But they should do it without vulgar insults or baseless slander.
I think that is a reasonable request.
Thanks.they should do it without vulgar insults or baseless slander.
Fair enough.
Look, that’s how Lemmy works, because “Lemmy” doesn’t realy exist, it’s just software. There’s no need for a ban appeal or anything, because if you got banned, they don’t want you, ever. Some instances do make their admin’s contacts public, such as Lemmygrad’s, so you could try messaging them on Matrix or something… Though I would not keep my hopes up. You could always make a new account, I think. To check details, by the way, you just go to the bottom of the page and click Modlog and then input the username you want to check. Here is a direct link to checking @Bloomcole@lemm.ee’s modlog.
You can do this for any user on any instance, but certain instances don’t federate modlogs well with each other, so it’s best to check each instance’s modlog for instance-specific information.
Each instance has its culture and expectations. There’s instances out there for you, I’m sure! Best of luck! And sorry you had such… Negative… first experiences.
After looking around it seems the .ml or .world is not really tolerant towards Lemmygrad of which they defederated.
The same attitude with Hexbear.Example from196@lemmy.blahaj.zone:
Here are the things that get you banned: -saying anything remotely iffy with a lemmygrad or hexbear account
Thanks again for the info.
You also have to consider that some servers are very politically-oriented, and if your political beliefs are not aligned with the administrator or community, then you are likely to get banned or if not banned, made to feel unwelcome. This applies to the left, right, up, or down on the Nolan chart. It is their right to do so, since it is their server, but the result is usually echo chambers that repeat the same talking points. If you like to debate policy, then these are not the communities for you.
If you want to discuss different points of view, you need to find a community that actually wants to debate the issues. Or run your own server and find like-minded friends to talk with.
Lemmy and pixelfed
What do you think of Pixelfed? I hear it’s kinda like Instagram, but how is the interop with the rest of the Fediverse?
I regularly use Mastodon, Pixelfed, Peertube, and Lemmy.
Currently I’m using wafrn and PieFed, but I’ve used misskey, Sharkey, goblin, akkoma (never tried pleroma), Mastodon (didn’t like it), Lemmy, Kbin (didn’t like it, so I haven’t even tried to joing a mbin instance), bookwyrm and Friendica. And I may be forgetting something, but those are the Fediverse software I’ve used the most
I wanna try hubzilla or one of its forks, but I’ve heard they’re a nightmare for mobile use.
I’ve learned about so many different federated services with this post, it’s crazy…
What do you like about Wafrn?
Quite frankly, I feel like Misskey/Sharkey/Mastodon/Pleroma are basically the same. I mean, sure, they do have some differences, but it really doesn’t matter. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m very meh on all of those. I keep Mastodon, but that’s it.
Also, thoughts on Piefed vs Lemmy? I’ve been getting a lot of feedback on that and I’m starting to get the impression Piefed has a lot of potential, maybe more than Lemmy. What do you think?
Wafrn: As of now it’s the Tumblr-style microblog platform that it’s closer in terms of content and energy to the original. Goblin has the pro that being a misskey fork has more app options, while wafrn only has only that for now it’s in close beta (although I access it through the phone browser no issues), but Goblin seems more serious in its content and interactions (or at least that was my perception)
I think misskey and it’s forkeys are it own thing in both terms of features and user base. Akkoma (can’t speak about plain pleroma) and Mastodon are similar, but Mastodon has , how to say it, this issue where they spend years shitting on features half the Fediverse have to then add it and pretend they’re doing something revolutionary. Also, I don’t know why but all the Mastodon servers I’ve been have had limitations or outright forbid image uploading, telling you to instead open a pixelfed account; I’ve never seen someone like that even in the crappies key/oma instance. That not even mentioning the toxicity (much of it inherited from twitter during the migrations) that exist in Mastodon.
Piefed like that you can join or abandon communities by topic on piefed and that it ask you if you want to see content with certain topics. Lemmy has the advantage that it has more app options, but it’s harder to filter content there and, at least on the server I was, half of the time the search gave no results. Tbh, I think we need a Lemmy fork because that’s the only way the community it’s ever getting all the user friendly changes it needs. The things that Lemmy lacks it lacks on purpose, there’s an active decision to not have them. Different from kbin, I actually like Lemmy, but I agree that PieFed has a lot of potential and as of now haven’t had any issues with it.
I’m really excited for the future of the Fediverse, with all these apps, but it’s just too much…
I’m not advocating for anything, but some of these are definitely gonna get culled.
Having a variety of software from where to choose, even within the same type of platform is actually positive. These software, while similar — but not equal — in terms of UI are completely different in terms of userbase and culture.
Not all former twitter users gave twitter an usage that translates well into Mastodon culture. Instead they could be a better fit for misskey (although this one isn’t 100% twitter-like) or pleroma. Or maybe the best for them is something smaller like GTS.
A neurodivergent person that needs to be able to quotepost because they find easy to process information that way is going to have a hard time in Mastodon where are not only now discussing adding the tool, but big part of its userbase reacts negatively to it. Again a Twitter-style fediverse microblogging platform that already has the tool, not only as a feature but ingrained in the culture might be a better fit for them.
Something similar occures with the link aggregators. Yes, they are “Reddit replacements”, but they have different cultures, thus they target different kinds of former and in-the-process-of-leaving redditors.
The fediverse is too heterogeneous, each particular protocol has its culture that’s distinct from all others that make part of the Fediverse; each software using a given protocol has its culture that’s distinct from the culture of all other software using the same protocol and each particular instance running a given software has its individual culture that distinguish itself from all other servers running the same software.
Culture and userbase behaviour are just or even more important than the list of features or the UI style when it comes to choose the best place for you on the Fediverse.
The Twitter-style fediverse microblogging platforms are all the same when you just focus on the design aspect and all you have used is Mastodon, but when you take into account culture, the way they behave and interact within themselves and with the wider fediverse…these platforms couldn’t be more different from each other.
You say that some are “gonna get culled” but, with exception of projects that were dropped due to personal issues with the devs, but that all somehow live in the form of forks, the Fediverse is expanding and the diversity of platform types is getting greater each day. In fact, there are categories where more diversity of software is needed.
Culture and userbase behaviour are just or even more important than the list of features or the UI style when it comes to choose the best place for you on the Fediverse.
Well, I guess that’s a factor. I haven’t really experienced this, as someone that uses mostly Lemmy and Mastodon. I don’t know, I’m speaking from a place of profound ignorance on that front.
You say that some are “gonna get culled” but, with exception of projects that were dropped due to personal issues with the devs, but that all somehow live in the form of forks, the Fediverse is expanding and the diversity of platform types is getting greater each day. In fact, there are categories where more diversity of software is needed.
Yeah I mean, if culture is the breaker then that’s that, right? I was thinking pretty exclusively thru the lens of software, and I don’t believe that there’s enough granularity in use-cases to justify all these options, especially considering they are very much evolving, adding features, improving on several fronts… Intuitively, I think they’d be converging towards a feature niche. The Fediverse is growing, so it grows in every direction and in every way, but, as it matures, I’d expect it to grow narrower. Or… Spikier, since there are several niches… I don’t know if spikier gets across what I mean, sorry about that.
If, as you say, there’s a cultural aspect to using a certain software-base as opposed to another, then that’s a whole other thing. Very interesting… I just hadn’t thought of that.
A marketplace of apps is actually a good thing. Not everyone wants something based on Twitter (i.e. Mastodon, and similar). Not everyone wants Reddit (Lemmy, Mbin, etc.). Not everyone wants a traditional forum (NodeBB). Not everyone wants a blog (WordPress, Hubzilla, etc.). Not everyone wants Facebook (Friendica, Hubzilla, etc.).
One of the goals is to build increased compatibility between apps so that you can choose which experience you want, yet can still talk to anyone else on the fediverse. Some big players will certainly emerge, but I think that there will always be hundreds of compatible apps.
Maybe… I do see your point.
We never know what the future holds. But one of our goals is to decentralize social media. If we wind up with only a few major players, we have failed in that goal.
Well… Is that true, I wonder. Is that what decentralization means?
Software wise, these are open-source projects with strong community contribution. Just a few major players doesn’t imply just a few major servers, so no one company or project can ever truly dominate.
Additionally, just the threat of forking could be enough of a deterrent for more authoritarian services not to implement anti-user features. Say Lemmy sells out or something; Lemmy.ml might turn bad, but that means nothing to .world or .ee or any other server. They can just… Not update. Not implement the bad features. Lemmy can just be forked. That’s not like Twitter or Facebook.
Right?
I’m not a tech wizz or anything, but that’s my understanding of the spiel of the thing of the stuff.
@gon Mainly Friendica, some Pixelfed.
I run several other services, though, just to keep up.
I’ve gotten a surprising amount of Friendica replies on these posts… I thought there would be way less.
Used to be kbin.social user , now just use lemmy (no mbin instance suits me , not joining instance named “moist cat sweat” euuughh) . Lemmy.world bcus it’s the biggest therefour more staying power
I’m terribly sorry, but moist cat sweat is so funny I can’t even begin to understand why you wouldn’t want to join that.
Hubzilla
Oh… That’s interesting. I think I’ve heard of it, but I don’t know anything about it. A quick look-through makes it sound very interesting… I’ll definitely check it out.
Do you have any suggestions on how to get started using hubzilla?
Thanks, I’ll check it out :D
Primarily Lemmy and Mastodon to replace Reddit and Facebook respectively. Those are the only social media platforms I used extensively, really, anyway. And I’m hosting a Mobilizon instance to replace the lost event organizing of Facebook that moved to chat rooms on Signal for now.
…Mastodon to replace Facebook? Why not Friendica? Usually, Mastodon is framed more as a sort of Twitter.
I never used Twitter really because Facebook filled that need and more. I might eventually go to Friendica, or at least have considered it. Basically, at the time, I was looking for two kinds of communication/conversation. One topic based and one user based. The user based side has two parts, friends and content producers. Since i don’t have many friends on the fediverse, that side isn’t as easy to fulfill. Lemmy covers the topic based, and Mastodon covers the user based for content producers well. If I get more friends converted, I’d probably be more interested in Friendica.
Hmm, I see, makes sense. Whatever works for you!
mbin
Evidently!
Why Mbin, though?
I already liked kbin. The general look/feel and structure was more appealing then lemmy or mastodon.
Not sure if I stay but I made accounts all over and will continue I think, until a “winner” builds up.
The whole fediverse is pretty cluttered to be honest.
The whole fediverse is pretty cluttered to be honest.
Truer things have been said, but not many.
There’s so many different services with similar features… The amount of Mastodon-like things is just overwhelming. The threadiverse is also a little hard to wrap one’s head around.
I am coming from a time when IRC, Gopher, usenet etc. was all we had. Then suddenly the www was the latest and the greatest.
So the fediverse gives me old days vibes.
But when you come from the time of centralized services it has a really existing threshold until you feel comfortable with it.
I hope that the federation of the different services will go and in the end we have a centralized access that collects and presents it in a streamlined way.
Still a way to go but lemmy, mbin etc. already are on a good way. Still my statement is valid, unfortunate.
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