What you think about this operating software? Pretty niche still, but if its alright maybe we could take the next step and use a almost open source os?
Personally I would love to see it gaining ground as I would love Europe to have its own phone OS.
Ubuntu Touch is German and Postmarket OS is european. I’m not so sure about Mobian.
I’m surprised to learn Ubuntu Touch is german, especialy since the main version of Ubuntu and their parent company (Canonical) is South-African.
Canonical gave up on Ubuntu Touch, but being open source some Norwegian guy decided to continue developing it anyway. Others joined in, leading to the ubports foundation. Canonical let them continue to use the name Ubuntu Touch and there is some continued cooperation, but Ubuntu Touch is completely independent from Canonical these days.
@ubports@mastodon.social
Canonical Ltd. is a privately held computer software company based in London, England. It was founded and funded by South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth to market commercial support and related services for Ubuntu and related projects. Canonical employs staff in more than 70 countries and maintains offices in London, Austin, Boston, Shanghai, Beijing, Taipei, Tokyo and the Isle of Man.
I ordered a refurbished phone compatible with Sailfish OS a couple days ago to give it a try, hoping to have it up and running by the end of the week. I’m happy to post a review here once I’ve given it a try, if anyone’s interested. Planning to keep it entirely free of Google/Meta apps, so I am expecting there to be some compromises compared to my current Android phone.
Definitely would love to hear your honest thoughts about it when you have tested it!
Since you were interested in hearing my experience with Sailfish OS, I’ve come back here to share my experience.
First off, installation was fairly straightforward. It required copy pasting some code into the command line, and that was about as advanced as it got. I got my phone up and running in about 20 minutes.
I found getting started with Sailfish VERY different than starting with a new Android or iPhone. The gestures and layout I think are quite nice, but definitely very different from what we are you used to on most modern smartphones. Apps cannot be kept on the home screen as far I’ve been able to figure out. Instead, they stay in the app drawer, and active apps are displayed kind of like open windows on a desktop. It is also very basic in comparison when you first start using it. Other than some basic productivity apps, there is nothing installed. To me it very much felt like using a smartphone from an earlier and simpler time, and I quite enjoyed that part. I had some trouble figuring out how to be able to install apps, but eventually was able to install apps from both the Jolla Store as well as Android apps.
In terms of using it as a daily driver, I think it could work. I’ve so far been able to install some of the apps I use on Android either through F-Droid or by downloading the APK files. I do have to point out, I was already heavily relying on more privacy friendly apps like Proton Mail, Bitwarden and NewPipe. You might have a harder time using more commercial apps and might have to resort to using the browser instead.
There’s also a bunch of Sailfish OS clients available that you can download as a .rpm file. I’ve found these easy enough to install as well, once I had a file manager installed.
So all in all, if you’re willing to do a bit more tinkering to get your device setup, and are willing to put up with a phone that might miss a few more modern features like a wallet, I think it could work. It is definitely more of a niche product, and it won’t be for everyone, but I don’t dislike it. I have not made up my mind yet whether I will go with Sailfish OS in the end, and am gonna try installing /e/ os on another old phone I have lying around before making up my mind. But I am definitely glad I gave it a try and I’m hoping more people will be willing to give it a chance.
Thank you so much for your insight! Definitely interesting to hear how it feels for new person. I have thoughts so that using the phone would feel very different from android/ios people are used to. But as you mentioned maybe not in bad way at all.
Have you experienced any hiccups or major bugs that have required deep debugging or booting the phone? What are your thoughts of the native browser? Have you been able to use maps like HereWeGo successfully?
I’ve not experienced any major bugs so far. I tried here we go maps, but could never got the actual map to load. Organic maps so far seems fine though. I wasn’t a fan of the standard browser myself, it felt sluggish. I got Fennec (a Firefox fork) from F-Droid instead and am very happy with it. DuckDuckGo also worked fine. Both are Android apps, they’re not native Sailfish OS. I have tried whisperfish, which is a native Signal client. That’s been working really well. What I found interesting about the native clients, is that they follow your device’s color scheme and font etc, they don’t have their own design the way Android/iOS apps usually do.
It’s a secure operating system that has an eye candy user interface. Thus I like the idea of buying a license to support the development though I wish the UI was open-sourced.
The project is being developed by a Finnish company.
And Sailfish OS by history of its development is a direct descendant of the Nokia N9 legacy! They say directly on the Jolla about page that they continue what Nokia left, and I’ve heard some of their developers were OG Nokia Meego devs.
Go open the link posted by @sunshine , it’s all there!
I’m switching to Lineage for the time being and my original plan was using graphene with my next phone but this could become a viable alternative.
I’m a user of #SailfishOS by @jolla since 2020 😁
I take this as you have enjoyed the OS and it functions well for you! Glad to hear that it is viable option. Would you say that it is usable for non tech persons also? Have you tried the C2?
ooo, what you think about it? do all apps work? is it better then android? hows the battery?
AFAIK, Sailfish OS has quite strong ties with russia. I love the approach and the choice of technology, and enjoyed it a lot (much more than the iOS/Android approach) — the platform is indeed magnificent and has quite a few great things about it. Although, I see relying on Sailfish OS to be quite a risky choice, given their close ties with russia and unknown status of their support of russian version of the OS.
Sailfish OS is developed by Jolla, who are a Finish company with offices in Finland (Tampere and Helsinki) and China (Hong Kong).
The Russians have forked Sailfish into Aurora OS, but that’s a separate system. It started out as a cooperation, but Jolla cut all ties with Russia in 2021.
It seems they had Russian investors and took active means to get rid of them:
In 2024, to escape Russia’s investors due to the Ukrainian war, the Jolla initial company filed for bankruptcy, continuing its activity under the JollyBoys name.
I would obviously not use Aurora OS, but do you have any information that would indicate that @jolla@techhub.social or Sailfish OS are compromised?
I do not as of now, although I am still very suspicious about the company, partly because of weird “no politics” response when team was asked to claim their stance on full-blown invasion. As a strong reason for it is that Jolla business with russia was being done after Crimea peninsula annexation.
Bottom line: I do not see this platform as being actively involved with warmongering state, but as one that directly supported an ability for it, and a potential risk.
More or less the entirety of western society failed in not sanctioning Russia profoundly in 2014, and we are now paying the cost. No doubt. But I wouldn’t exaggerate Jolla’s role - going through a bankruptcy to shake investors off seems to me to be dedication, even if it might be a bit late.
Yeah, I see your point, and it kind of makes sense to see bankruptcy as an attempt to start clean. I did not know about that, thanks for letting me know.
Still, my take is that Jolla’s products should be considered carefully, and history should be taken into account.
I think phone operating systems are incredibly sensitive software, and they should always be considered carefully. So no disagreement there.
Ironic as fuck then that I’m currently using stock Android. Oh well.
Yeah… I know the feeling :)
They severed all ties with Russia several years ago, I think the company is now entirely Finnish.
