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      I’m obviously not a fan of Tesla but it’s a shame that the most sold car went from an electric to a gas powered one.

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        16 hours ago

        It went to a car that costs a quarter of the Tesla. Can you really blame people for not being rich?

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            And you need to own a single-family home or at least live in a small enough apartment building to be able to convince people to install chargers at parking spots. If you do own house, you can probably afford a nicer car.

            It pretty much has no engine or battery to speak of so if you need to use it outside of the city (you know, the place where you could just use public transit or walk), it’ll just… Suck. If you need to charge it at public chargers, it’s more expensive to run than a diesel in some countries, while not being as convenient.

            I’m glad the option exists, but I don’t see poor people rushing to electric unless the infrastructure and public charger pricing greatly improve, and I don’t see a lot of wealthy people buying this Dacia either.

            That’s probably why the cheap ICE powered Dacia is so successful. It’s more successful at targeting the people who can’t afford a big expensive EV. Because those people often also can’t afford the limitations and practical requirements of a cheap EV.

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              13 hours ago

              (Disclaimer: not a car person, asking for clarification…)

              Does what you said not apply to Tesla as well?

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                11 hours ago

                Tesla had an early popularity advantage. It was the first EV that actually made use of the performance advantages of an electric motor. Until some point you could get a crappy Leaf or an upmarket Tesla with little in-between.

                You also need a lot more money to buy a Tesla, you can’t really generally get a 12 year old used one for the price of a new Dacia. So the market for Tesla was always people who probably have houses or don’t REALLY care about the charging prices at public stations.

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                  11 hours ago

                  Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. I was also curious whether the existing EV infrastructure for Tesla is usable by other models, because I think this would be a crucial factor for mass adoption.

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                    I believe Tesla started opening up their chargers to other brands a few years ago as they can’t stop people from buying other EVs, but they CAN make more money off their extensive charger network.

                    I don’t know if that also applies for the EU, I know it was being discussed in the US.

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        16 hours ago

        Not for the planet. It burns dino juice. That also means 5-10 times the running cost.

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          16 hours ago

          A quarter the purchase cost though.

          The Tesla would need an out of warranty battery replacement long before it pays off compared to the Dacia.

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            Telsa is the top end of the market, so these two are not like for like. There are now EV reaching price parity, or cheaper. The cost is mostly battery and the price of battery is come down a lot since EV started going mass market.

            When buying an EV, you should do it on maths. If it will cost extra every month, compare that will fuel savings. For me it was £16 a day on diesel for my long commute in the large family van. Now it’s <£2 a day in the large family EV van. So it’s a big saving.