• Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    5 days ago

    I only see mockery of accelerationists, which I broadly support. Its 10 times easier to reform an existing government that to destroy and build a good one from scratch.

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      To be fair, the only reason I sound like an accelerationist, is because the building is clearly on fire right now and I’m presuming its structural at this point. So yeah, while I wish it didn’t get to this point, it feels likely that we will have to rebuild things from the ground up.

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        You sound like an accelerationist because you think things are unsalvageable? Go figure.

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      While I agree in theory, it assumes the existing system has rational or somewhat rational actors.

      If your system is full of counter productive individuals, it might be easier to start fresh.

      This works better with groups and companies, entire countries, not so much.

    • ceoofanarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Not when the existing government is built to concentrate and protect current property relations. Sure have parallel structures built to replace what exists but don’t reform, revolt.

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        Difficulty of reform aside, the pain and suffering that will come from societal collapse will be immense. The chance of successfully building a better system out of the crumbled remains is low. I don’t think it’s a great aspiration.

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        5 days ago

        This isn’t happening

        Accelerationism is happening towards fascism. This would be a different story if socialism was on the rise with parallel structures in place to rescue us during the collapse

        Literally this is not happening nor will happen. Not even close, it blows my mind other leftists think fascism provides opportunity. “Things are going to be great after this is all said and done!” As we’re rounded up and deported to El Salvador

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        5 days ago

        It’s literally not built to do that. The government has been hijacked by private interests.

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          What? Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class that’s basic. Anything else it does that appear to do anything else are either really about their real goal or hard fought bargains meant to prevent rebellion that always are viewed as temporary,

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            5 days ago

            Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class

            Edgy teenager take.

            Modern western governments were created with the intent of replacing the old ruling classes with a democratically elected government. Pay attention during history class.

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              I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting “democracy” to maintain their power.