• ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com
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    3 days ago

    I mean that I feel more people complain about how bad hexbear is than I ever encounter. Either I’m in the wrong subs or they’re tamer than people believe.

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      2 days ago

      You think it’s a good thing that new people looking to join Lemmy are directed towards Hexbear (or Lemmygrad or even ML)?

      Be honest.

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        2 days ago

        (or Lemmygrad or even ML)

        Have you considered reaching out to the lemmy developers to point out that it’s unreasonable for them to display links to the first two lemmy instances ever, the two that they created and administrate themselves, on their lemmy-joining portal? I think they’d be pretty receptive to that. Those instances are not at all representative of what lemmy is intended to be, and I certainly didn’t join lemmy to see the kind of content they peddle.

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          2 days ago

          Let’s be real here, the vast majority of people do not want to deal with pro-genocide, pro authoritarian tankies (e.g. would you want to deal with neo-nazis?) and teenage edgelords roleplaying as communists.

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            And that vast majority of people have for the most part chosen to continue using reddit rather than join a community where that is already the established norm and expect a change in ideology from the one that has been motivating its developers from day one.

            No one using lemmy hated what lemmy is until a bunch of redditors flocked here. You’re walking into forums built by communists used for years by communists to chat amongst each other and loudly complaining that these communists are allowed to stick around. There are a lot of other places on the internet that match your own ideology more closely, including reddit. Why stay here if you are that upset about the ideology this was and continues to be built on?

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              2 days ago

              That’s not how federation or open source works.

              And the overwhelming majority of Lemmy’s active users are not tankies and have no interest in tankie degeneracy.

              I am not upset. I am just stating facts, tankies and leftists are not the same thing.

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                Federation and open source provide a significant reduction in the barrier to someone making their own instance or their own federated network, with whatever modifications they want to implement. That is definitely something you could take advantage of. Federation and open source are not really related to an existing culture in an already thriving social network still being present in some form after you joined.

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                  1 day ago

                  If you want a forum where only tankies are allowed, then don’t develop your solution on a federated protocol. It’s as simple as that.

                  Tankie scum culture is largely not tolerated across Lemmy. No sane person wants to hear degenerate rambling about how Stalin was a good guy, denial of russian atrocities committed in Ukraine, denial of giant number of Ukrainians held horrible conditions in internment and praise for Putin (who is not even a communist).

                  Don’t try to hide behind “existing culture” with your “discrimination against tankies” rehortic.

                  When you act like scum (some of the worst), be prepared to be called scum.

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                    If you want a forum where only tankies are allowed, then don’t develop your solution on a federated protocol.

                    I don’t how you read that from what I wrote, I just think it’s silly to complain that they are allowed here.

                    I joined lemmy five or six years ago because I really believe in federated networks. I’ve definitely learned a bit since then but I’m still not an expert on any of the politics. I can say with confidence though that the devs are well-meaning and their beliefs are sincere, so when you dismiss them as pro-genocide scum it gives me the impression that you’ve never engaged seriously with the ideas. And if you want to prioritze avoiding sincere proponents of those ideas, there are a lot of networks not maintained by advocates that will give you a much easier time. Staying on the one significant social network built out of those beliefs seems counterintuitive here.

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              They support russian genocidal imperialism, deny genocidal actions of the CCP.

              Come up with childish excuses such as “the CIA made this up [in references to atrocities]” or “the people of this country don’t actually want to be free and the CIA organized a coup” and degenerate bullshit.

              They are scum.