Capitalism is an inherently hierarchical system, and hierarchical systems fundamentally consolidate power to the top. This consolidation of power is a primary feature of the capitalist and state structures. You can’t out regulate the nature of hierarchy, it will always adapt to the present conditions and find ways to consolidate power. A just and equitable society cannot exist under hierarchy. Humans are highly social and highly adaptable animals, there is no singular “human nature”. What you’ve labeled human nature is the nature of capitalism and the state, not humans.
I’m not interested in slower consolidation, because at the end of the day that means someone else is going to have to deal with the consequences of it down the line. See Canada, the UK, Germany, and Sweden as examples of what will happen under “better regulated” capitalist systems. Things are ok for a generation or two, and then capital begins it’s encroachment once again. They’re closer to the path the US is on than any of them will readily admit. Why would I fight for half measures?
I think we can agree to disagree on that part about human nature. I’ve met plenty of nice people, but those aren’t the ones I’m worried about. You seem to be suggesting we could create a system that could be corruption free indefinitely which has me very intrigued
No, just suggesting that people take charge of their future instead of just assuming that the system will work itself out. The best system is the one that encourages people to not only look out for each other, but also criticize and question each other. And do so freely without the need for financial backing to do so.
That only happens when people decide to work together for their goals, even if they occasionally have to work towards someone else’s instead of their own. Which is entirely possible, no matter how dim a view of others one might have.
Capitalism is an inherently hierarchical system, and hierarchical systems fundamentally consolidate power to the top. This consolidation of power is a primary feature of the capitalist and state structures. You can’t out regulate the nature of hierarchy, it will always adapt to the present conditions and find ways to consolidate power. A just and equitable society cannot exist under hierarchy. Humans are highly social and highly adaptable animals, there is no singular “human nature”. What you’ve labeled human nature is the nature of capitalism and the state, not humans.
I’m not interested in slower consolidation, because at the end of the day that means someone else is going to have to deal with the consequences of it down the line. See Canada, the UK, Germany, and Sweden as examples of what will happen under “better regulated” capitalist systems. Things are ok for a generation or two, and then capital begins it’s encroachment once again. They’re closer to the path the US is on than any of them will readily admit. Why would I fight for half measures?
I think we can agree to disagree on that part about human nature. I’ve met plenty of nice people, but those aren’t the ones I’m worried about. You seem to be suggesting we could create a system that could be corruption free indefinitely which has me very intrigued
No, just suggesting that people take charge of their future instead of just assuming that the system will work itself out. The best system is the one that encourages people to not only look out for each other, but also criticize and question each other. And do so freely without the need for financial backing to do so.
That only happens when people decide to work together for their goals, even if they occasionally have to work towards someone else’s instead of their own. Which is entirely possible, no matter how dim a view of others one might have.