Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich reiterates call for ‘hundreds of thousands’ of Palestinians to be forcibly displaced from Gaza

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      3 days ago

      It is very very hard to predict who is going to win even when elections that aren’t all that close. Asking people how they would behave especially people who didn’t even bother to vote is fraught. People who aren’t happy about something are apt to say they would do something about it but they showed more about how motivated they are by not even bothering to show up in actual reality. I think anyone who tells you if you did this they would have voted for you is quite frankly full of shit.

      White people voted for Trump because they believed they would be privileged. Men voted for him because they believed they would be privileged. Conservatives voted for him because he would appoint conservative judges Financially ignorant people voted for him because he would cut their taxes and encourage business. Republican’s voted for him because him being a Republican was far more important than any other factor. Most people who call themselves independent flatter themselves by saying so and in fact vote Red or Blue 95-99% of the time. Those who lean red were never going to vote for a non-white women running under the blue ticket.

      None of these factors had anything to do with Israel or Gaza. People in America are selfish and self centered they were never going to vote differently based on Gaza.

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        Way to ignore both articles that show just how much more support Harris would have gotten by standing by an arms embargo, which is both the popular and morally correct position to have.

        Yeah, people in America are selfish. That doesn’t change the reality that they recognize those progressive policies are to their own benefit. If you ignore the material conditions of America and have no material analysis of the situation, it’s not possible to recognize the root cause of voter apathy and populism, let alone the differences between left populism and right populism

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          People saying that support when you present them with a moral issue isn’t the same thing as them actually turning up to vote. People have all sorts of opinions about what they ought to do and if you ask them if they intend to exercise, floss their teeth, and support the little chidrens in Africa. This doesn’t mean they will be doing ANYTHING of note given a chance.

          Track actual attendance at gym, check their teeth, and ask for receipts for their donations to feed the starving kids. You’ll find that most of them fell short.

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            I don’t care about your opinions. You have nothing to refute the actual articles, you just want to be right regardless of the significant amount of evidence that show you’re wrong about public support for a weapons embargo to stop a fucking genocide

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              5 hours ago

              I don’t think you can show via a survey after the fact that someone would have voted differently. I believe the entire idea is nonsense.

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                5 hours ago

                The 34 polls are throughout the campaign, it’s very clear you didn’t even bother opening the link, let alone look at the data.

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                  4 hours ago

                  This proves more people say they would support someone who says they will do something that aligns with what people say they support. It doesn’t mean the person actually shows up. Someone put on the spot may give you the answer you want and still not show up. I don’t think categorically you can prove the kind of thing you want to prove. If polls were remotely accurate we would be talking about president Hillary Clinton

                  Categorically Americans don’t give a fuck about what is happening to people in other countries. The same group most likely to say they do young people are the one that is least likely to even show up to spend 15 minutes voting. You can keep pretending that this shows what you think it shows but I will continue thinking that it shows people tell you the right answer when you put them on the spot.

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                    4 hours ago

                    The polls are accurate. I have no interest in your personal belief, that doesn’t change the reality of the evidence.